Libertarian Socialism

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No it strengthens my argument because the economies of Sweden and other northern European countries would not survive or grow without capitalism - What you see there is not a socialist model, just a more socialized control of capitalism -

You seem to be making my point but claiming its the opposite. You can't say more socialised control of capitalism without saying socialised.

BTW, if you do not defend reaching communism as a goal, you're not a socialist for me, just a social democrat. Europe is not socialist,

It's socialism mixed with capitalism. Pure caplitalism and pure communism are both bad ideas what is needed is a healthy mix.
All services should be state run non-profit and shops should be capitalist.

that is such a wrong claim - Europe is capitalist just like the USA and the rest of the developed world, it's just a much more controlled and balanced capitalism - Do you really think that in a socialist society offshore accounts would still exist? Is there a free market in the UK? Yes? Then they're not socialist, just a little more social

Did I ever argue for pure socialism? why are you pushing for extremes. Extremes don't work.

In fact, I remember seeing that in Norway most companies are actually private and there's a free market, as long as you have a free market like everywhere else, you're still capitalist - I want to see a model of a real socialist and not pseudo socialist (more like social-democrat for those countries) working perfectly

So?

Talking about the examples, I'm talking about stateless capitalism - But you don't seem to be getting the point - Humanity is not ready for anarchy (probably will never be), let alone for pure capitalism - When humanity is ready for both, it could work, that's all I'm saying, I'm not advocating using that system right away..

Capitalism is amoral. It has nothing to say on social justice or helping each other, just about the accumulation of wealth that's all. "it's just business" is the cliché that is used to justify all kinds of evil.

Socialism is all about social equality and society working together. There is a place for making money and a place for making sure society works. What is good for one thing is not always good for the other so a healthy mix of both is needed along with firm regulation.

When capitalism is unchecked you end up with depressions and financial crashes every time.