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Libertarian Socialism
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RE: Libertarian Socialism
Quote:Direct democracy is the best idea ever, it's just very hard to obtain.
The flaws of democracy most of the time can be adressed, but it's in the interest of the system to perpetuate things as they are, and allienate people on politics and on having more community "sense". The thing is, the ones that "could" do something are the ones that exactly act against it, our political and financial elites.
A lot of ideas are the best ideas ever, but many are hard to obtain. I'm not going to adress utopias, it is completely useless. I don't accept the argument of My political ideology is correct if people behaved like this - If your idea doesn't fit reality, it is useless.
Quote:Obviously, in a direct democracy, people should be well educated and "configurated" into having real sense of community and taking decisions for the best of the community instead of only self-interest, which would require several things including loss of private property and wealth, into becoming community profit, and everything should be regarded with having the prespective of having community as the priority over self interests.
1 - Not everyone can have a good education, some people will prefer just the basics, others will finish highschool, some will drop of, we can't demand that all people excel, and even if most people were in fact educated that doesn't make them fit to take political decisions. If I had a degree in agriculture, that wouldn't give me the skills to make decisions when it comes to fishing.

2 - A good balance between sense of community and self-interest/wealth/private property is the most moderate choice and it leaves us with a good equilibrium. If I generate wealth, I am entitled to keep my part, as well as my property, Man likes owning patrimony, and takes better care of what belongs to him. I don't even think community goals are above self-interest, maybe because I'm a narcissistic person. And don't forget if all wealth was for the community, then probably few people would want to supply it - Free riding would happen a lot. I wouldn't be studying so hard if I couldn't, in the future, keep most of my wealth (and I'm doing pretty good)
Quote:People aren't inherently capitalistic or with lack of community sense, with too much selfishness and individualism, it's the system, greed, shortages and opportunity to do it that are some of the main reasons for why some people become so selfish and corruptible.
A-ham - Capitalism doesn't equal a lack of community sense, I'm a capitalist and I'm always worried about the society I live in - I'm not selfish either, just narcissistic but that's a personal trait. People aren't inherently anything, it's the social environment you are raised in that makes you the way you are - Maybe I'm a capitalist and pro-private property because I've seen my government fucking up too many times and I've had overall better experiences with private services, but others could argue the opposite. Individualism is what makes every one of us unique and it's essential, that's why there are individual rights - Without the individual, there is no society, so the individual person has value from the beginning.
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That's why some ideologies try to adress a transition into a direct democracy, because we'll for sure need eventually a transition from our capitalistic ways in order to survive and not overpopulate nor waste resources on this little planet.
We need sustainable development for sure, but direct democracy would be a total failure. I prefer to propose measures or alternatives that would actually work at least minimally right now instead of sayingIf things were X, then Y would work.

Rythm - When it comes to small local communities maybe a little bit of direct democracy would be good, as long as the people doing it were competent - But I'm talking about national governments here.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you

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Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 13, 2014 at 4:53 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Dystopia - September 13, 2014 at 5:34 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by downbeatplumb - September 13, 2014 at 6:44 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Dystopia - September 13, 2014 at 7:54 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by downbeatplumb - September 14, 2014 at 4:31 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by CapnAwesome - September 20, 2014 at 1:42 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 20, 2014 at 10:41 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by CapnAwesome - September 21, 2014 at 1:40 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 13, 2014 at 8:03 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Dystopia - September 13, 2014 at 8:17 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 13, 2014 at 8:28 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by tjakey - September 13, 2014 at 9:37 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 13, 2014 at 5:09 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by tjakey - September 13, 2014 at 9:14 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 14, 2014 at 1:13 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Dystopia - September 14, 2014 at 5:54 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by downbeatplumb - September 14, 2014 at 8:24 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by TaraJo - September 14, 2014 at 9:16 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 14, 2014 at 3:40 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by TaraJo - September 14, 2014 at 4:36 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 14, 2014 at 8:05 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by TaraJo - September 15, 2014 at 9:54 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 15, 2014 at 5:18 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by TaraJo - September 17, 2014 at 8:45 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Brian37 - September 17, 2014 at 9:10 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 17, 2014 at 5:27 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by TaraJo - September 17, 2014 at 11:56 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 18, 2014 at 3:58 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by TaraJo - September 18, 2014 at 9:40 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 19, 2014 at 12:12 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 14, 2014 at 8:22 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 14, 2014 at 11:08 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 14, 2014 at 11:35 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 15, 2014 at 12:19 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 15, 2014 at 1:21 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 15, 2014 at 4:35 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 15, 2014 at 5:05 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 15, 2014 at 5:55 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 15, 2014 at 5:35 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 15, 2014 at 6:51 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 15, 2014 at 9:36 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 15, 2014 at 10:28 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 16, 2014 at 3:21 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Madness20 - September 17, 2014 at 8:05 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Brian37 - September 17, 2014 at 8:37 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Dystopia - September 17, 2014 at 10:26 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Madness20 - September 17, 2014 at 11:58 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Dystopia - September 17, 2014 at 12:14 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Brian37 - September 19, 2014 at 5:49 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 17, 2014 at 10:33 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 17, 2014 at 12:00 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 17, 2014 at 12:21 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Madness20 - September 19, 2014 at 8:17 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Minimalist - September 17, 2014 at 12:27 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 17, 2014 at 12:32 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 17, 2014 at 5:34 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 17, 2014 at 7:12 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 18, 2014 at 6:57 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 18, 2014 at 11:03 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 18, 2014 at 11:15 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 19, 2014 at 2:37 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 20, 2014 at 2:04 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 21, 2014 at 1:46 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 21, 2014 at 7:27 pm

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