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Libertarian Socialism
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RE: Libertarian Socialism
(September 17, 2014 at 10:26 am)Blackout Wrote: Direct democracy is not in anyway a good idea, just saying - Democracy is already full of flaws with a representative system, most people are too ignorant to directly decide what's good or bad, are easily influenced by emotions and are not scientifically educated enough for it. Not even semi-direct democracy...

If there were 2 referendums, one asking "Do you wish for MORE public health services?" and another saying 'Do you wish higher taxes?", people would probably vote Yes and No respectively, which is incoherent by nature since public healthcare needs to be funded.

I have met many people in my life, older, younger, middle aged, and most possess basic or good skills for their lives, but I wouldn't trust 90% of them to make public decisions for all of us, even if there was an absolute majority - Majority doesn't equal being right.

To the person whom you were responding to.......

What the fuck? "Democracy" isn't about trusting your neighbor, and you are an idiot to assume that "democracy" simply protects the majority. Can voting be "mob rule by vote" yes. But in the secular west we also protect minorities. Westernized governments have systems of oversight including the ability to protect the minority from a majority.

I fucking hate utopia talk like this. Without voting you have a dictatorship. By proxy of political party or class. No one should ever claim or want voting to be an absolute either.

Humans run everything both public and private, and since evolution is not a perfect utopia any system you set up is open to flaws because humans are flawed. But only a fucking idiot wants to be dictated to.

When you say "I don't trust others" and at the same time don't think voting works all you are saying is the same utopia crap I get either from Libertarians(no government at all) or Che supporters(Lets become Cuba) "I want to be the alpha male".

Where the hell did you get the idea that voting is the only thing that constitutes a democracy? That is as stupid as a wheel being the only thing that constitutes the entire car.
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Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 13, 2014 at 4:53 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Dystopia - September 13, 2014 at 5:34 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by downbeatplumb - September 13, 2014 at 6:44 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Dystopia - September 13, 2014 at 7:54 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by downbeatplumb - September 14, 2014 at 4:31 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by CapnAwesome - September 20, 2014 at 1:42 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 20, 2014 at 10:41 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by CapnAwesome - September 21, 2014 at 1:40 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 13, 2014 at 8:03 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Dystopia - September 13, 2014 at 8:17 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 13, 2014 at 8:28 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by tjakey - September 13, 2014 at 9:37 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 13, 2014 at 5:09 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by tjakey - September 13, 2014 at 9:14 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 14, 2014 at 1:13 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Dystopia - September 14, 2014 at 5:54 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by downbeatplumb - September 14, 2014 at 8:24 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by TaraJo - September 14, 2014 at 9:16 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 14, 2014 at 3:40 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by TaraJo - September 14, 2014 at 4:36 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 14, 2014 at 8:05 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by TaraJo - September 15, 2014 at 9:54 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 15, 2014 at 5:18 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by TaraJo - September 17, 2014 at 8:45 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Brian37 - September 17, 2014 at 9:10 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 17, 2014 at 5:27 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by TaraJo - September 17, 2014 at 11:56 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 18, 2014 at 3:58 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by TaraJo - September 18, 2014 at 9:40 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 19, 2014 at 12:12 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 14, 2014 at 8:22 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 14, 2014 at 11:08 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 14, 2014 at 11:35 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 15, 2014 at 12:19 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 15, 2014 at 1:21 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 15, 2014 at 4:35 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 15, 2014 at 5:05 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 15, 2014 at 5:55 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 15, 2014 at 5:35 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 15, 2014 at 6:51 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 15, 2014 at 9:36 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 15, 2014 at 10:28 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 16, 2014 at 3:21 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Madness20 - September 17, 2014 at 8:05 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Brian37 - September 17, 2014 at 8:37 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Dystopia - September 17, 2014 at 10:26 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Madness20 - September 17, 2014 at 11:58 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Dystopia - September 17, 2014 at 12:14 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Brian37 - September 19, 2014 at 5:49 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 17, 2014 at 10:33 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 17, 2014 at 12:00 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 17, 2014 at 12:21 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Madness20 - September 19, 2014 at 8:17 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Minimalist - September 17, 2014 at 12:27 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 17, 2014 at 12:32 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 17, 2014 at 5:34 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 17, 2014 at 7:12 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 18, 2014 at 6:57 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 18, 2014 at 11:03 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 18, 2014 at 11:15 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 19, 2014 at 2:37 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 20, 2014 at 2:04 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 21, 2014 at 1:46 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 21, 2014 at 7:27 pm

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