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Determinism
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RE: Determinism
Determinism is just the idea that the future can only be one way, it can't go any other way, hence why I said it means there is "Only one possible future".

So according to determinism - if it was true then ultimately when it comes down to the details of the matter (whether we will ever know them or can know them or not) even the random quantum mechanics can't be any other way in that exact given moment. At the moment quantum mechanics seems to defy much intuition, common sense and cause and effect and what not. But IF determinism is true then that would mean ultimately it's an illusion and if we somehow broke down the quantum into an even smaller quantum level then it IS ultimately all fixed and "determined" and only at the moment does it look "undetermined" or whatever.

I could be wrong here though because I think I've also heard/read that indeterminism (as opposed to determinism) and the indeterminacy of quantum mechanics are different things. Indeterminism means there are more than one possible futures, it's not determined - whereas indeterminism of quantum mechanics doesn't necessarily imply that at all, in fact gives no implication to it whatsoever - it's just about the random and unpredictable variables of the quantum. This paragraph may be more correct than the above one. But I don't really know - what I wish is to be corrected by someone with more knowledge on this matter than me, while I try and feed in some theoretical thought.

(I DO know the definition of determinism though. It just means that there's only one possible future).

Predeterminism, I believe, as opposed to determinism is the idea that not only the future is determined but it's determined for some some of reason, like destiny, predestination and all that whatnot - that's much closer to being religious bullshit. Determinism itself - alone - isn't.

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Determinism - by mem - June 19, 2010 at 2:31 pm
RE: Determinism - by Edwardo Piet - June 19, 2010 at 3:09 pm
RE: Determinism - by WingedFoe - June 20, 2010 at 12:23 am
RE: Determinism - by Purple Rabbit - June 20, 2010 at 6:30 am
RE: Determinism - by Minimalist - June 20, 2010 at 1:46 am
RE: Determinism - by mem - June 20, 2010 at 10:29 am
RE: Determinism - by WingedFoe - June 20, 2010 at 2:48 pm
RE: Determinism - by Edwardo Piet - June 20, 2010 at 3:20 pm
RE: Determinism - by Purple Rabbit - June 20, 2010 at 4:28 pm
RE: Determinism - by Edwardo Piet - June 21, 2010 at 6:42 am
RE: Determinism - by Purple Rabbit - June 21, 2010 at 2:29 pm
RE: Determinism - by Caecilian - June 21, 2010 at 5:50 pm
RE: Determinism - by Caecilian - June 21, 2010 at 7:25 am
RE: Determinism - by Edwardo Piet - June 22, 2010 at 7:21 am
RE: Determinism - by Purple Rabbit - June 22, 2010 at 2:36 pm
RE: Determinism - by Caecilian - June 22, 2010 at 6:21 pm
RE: Determinism - by Edwardo Piet - June 23, 2010 at 7:49 am
RE: Determinism - by Purple Rabbit - June 23, 2010 at 3:50 pm
RE: Determinism - by Caecilian - June 23, 2010 at 5:10 pm
RE: Determinism - by Edwardo Piet - June 25, 2010 at 6:05 am
RE: Determinism - by Caecilian - June 25, 2010 at 6:49 am
RE: Determinism - by Purple Rabbit - June 26, 2010 at 4:02 am
RE: Determinism - by Caecilian - June 26, 2010 at 7:16 am
RE: Determinism - by Edwardo Piet - June 26, 2010 at 3:02 am
RE: Determinism - by Purple Rabbit - June 26, 2010 at 8:14 am
RE: Determinism - by Caecilian - June 26, 2010 at 8:44 am
RE: Determinism - by mem - June 26, 2010 at 9:38 am
RE: Determinism - by Purple Rabbit - June 26, 2010 at 11:03 am
RE: Determinism - by Caecilian - June 26, 2010 at 1:32 pm
RE: Determinism - by Purple Rabbit - June 26, 2010 at 3:05 pm
RE: Determinism - by Caecilian - June 26, 2010 at 7:43 pm
RE: Determinism - by Purple Rabbit - June 27, 2010 at 3:25 am
RE: Determinism - by Caecilian - June 27, 2010 at 7:24 pm
RE: Determinism - by chasm - June 28, 2010 at 9:10 pm
RE: Determinism - by Caecilian - June 29, 2010 at 6:58 am

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