(June 21, 2010 at 4:49 pm)Meatball Wrote: Brain activity means sapience? You think a fetus is sapient as soon as it's first brain cell starts firing?
It deserves respect? What does that entail other than a right to a birth? Is it a person?
In your opinion, should a 'post-sapience abortions' be illegal? What should the punishment be?
No, no, no you misunderstand, the baby doesn't gain sapience when it's brains starts, when it's brain starts which is what make us what we are sapient beings, he should be respected as a child of a sapient being, and the potential he has since as a baby they already show little personality.
It received enough to be a human being, although not sapient he can already feel like a sentient being and a nervous system(all that make us sapient), it deserves our respect, and a rights like everyother sapient being, and yes it is a person, a small person that's defenceless.
On 3 conditions it's illegal:
-fetus has disease.
-mother is in danger.
-Mother doesn't know about the baby(however this far along the pregnancy it would be a little dumb to not know), but gives a week of thought so she can think trough, even if the baby passes the nervous system start test.
The punishment should be a medium sized fine like 500 or 1000 euros.
Sae those opinions border on immorality and nihilism,
"because someone else does it, it should not be immoral" NO
"Killing is not immoral" you are advocating to freedom to oppress others like religion
"Human life as no value" this is a old west treated people "shame all those precious cattle dies because that worthless cowboy was ambushed by 50 guys"
Things have natural value to humans, some of them deny it, and those persons are usually horrible, china's right to censor, corporative abuse of workers "after all we're the government your right is to work for us so we can enjoy our good lifes"
The moment you call killing not immoral you're opening the pandora box without any hope, where oppression and free executions for everyone are morally justified, "kill someone" EXECUTION "steal from someone" EXECUTION "touch a woman breasts" EXECUTION "wear socks of the wrong colour" EXECUTION
You're advocating a oppressive and moraless world, you're defending the worst parts in religion.
There are 3 moral laws that everyone should respect and if they disrespect it they should be stripped of freedom and rights, by disrespecting their duties to the world:
-Duty of Equality-The first is you should treat every sapient as equals.
-Duty of Behaviour-You shall be good person(the normal moral laws no killing, not hurting people)
-Duty of Survival-This is a duty to ignore the other 2 duties, if you're life is on danger you should try the best to survive, and if you have to kill or hurt someone in self-defence, do it, but do not exaggerate, if you want to sacrifice yourself for another that's your point, if you died because you didn't fought you're a loss to the world.
As society gives you rights Sae it also gives it duties, if you can follow your duties you should not have andy rights at all.
