(June 20, 2010 at 1:01 pm)tavarish Wrote: I've been giving this one some thought.It also seemed to me like a little special pleading or a whole mess of idk so I'm going to take a long time not to answer the question.
"How does God acting before time began get around the problem of God's creation? There are two possible interpretations of these verses. One is that God exists outside of time. Since we live in a universe of cause and effect, we naturally assume that this is the only way in which any kind of existence can function. However, the premise is false. Without the dimension of time, there is no cause and effect, and all things that could exist in such a realm would have no need of being caused, but would have always existed. Therefore, God has no need of being created, but, in fact, created the time dimension of our universe specifically for a reason - so that cause and effect would exist for us. However, since God created time, cause and effect would never apply to His existence."
This makes no sense at all.
God does not operate under cause and effect, as he is timeless, but he willed something into existence,which is something that only works as a causal construct.
It all sounds like a case of special pleading to me.
I'd like to hear the best explanation of why an infinite regress is not possible, and preferably one that does not negate the qualities or necessity of the God in question at the same time.
I think what he's trying to get accross is that cause and effect are dependant on one following the other. The act of following requires a place in space time, therefore without space time cause and effect need not necessarily apply. If God exists and has existed before the begining of time, then the causality of who created God is not able to be determined by the same methods we use to determine origins within this universe.
I personally will entertain any and all ideas of who created God if anything. He was created by the IPU, alien parents, etc. I'm relatively of the same mindset that while it's nice to ponder about some things we'll never know, the things truly unfatomable should be just that. If God is the one who created the Big Bang, then does it really matter who created God? Not to me. Does the universe need a creator? Yeah Ithink it does, IMO. I can't see something happening in nothingness to cause the Big Bang from a singularity or whatever without an initiating event.
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