(December 29, 2008 at 5:09 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: The thing is I think if we have 'no free will' we are no less free than if we believe we do have free will. Unless we are confusing 'free will' with evitability. Even though we may not be able to consciously 'choose' with 'free will' to do or not do something - that doesn't mean there is not evitability. Or that we shouldn't take responsibility for our actions. Whether we believe in 'free will' or not, we have just as much 'free will' as we ever did, whether we have it or not.How can you avoid shooting someone when the movement of your finger on the trigger starts before you are consciously aware that it is moving?
Believing in free will doesn't give us any more free will than not believing in it. If we believe there is no evitability like we aren't free to do anything about anything. That's a different matter. I can still 'choose' to do or not do things whether I believe that its me doing the choosing or that I am doing it deliberately - or not.
If I am not doing this 'on purpose' using 'free will' it doesn't really make any difference. I don't feel 'trapped' or powerless. Because I know I am just as free as I ever have been whether I believe in free will or not. I still have evitability (or avoidability) either way. Because I always have. Whether I have a choice in the matter or not...
I'm just as free as I've always been.
Evf
"I'm like a rabbit suddenly trapped, in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap" - Tim Minchin in "Storm"
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0