(October 10, 2014 at 5:28 pm)HopOnPop Wrote:Some pagan cultures were like that, like the Etruscans and the Egyptians, also the the Germanic tribes were less sexist then the Romans they fought. On the other hand some pagan cultures were quite sexist, like the Romans and Greeks.(October 10, 2014 at 2:18 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: As a secularist, my view is that Christianity indeed deserves credit for giving women a more respected position in the Church than what was typically accepted in their culture....[but]....the New Testament, while it contains some of this progression, is not the end-all-be-all of moral instruction that we would expect it to be if it was the infallible word of God.
There's also the widespread pro-feminist historical view about how pre-Abrahamic, paleolithic cultures likely adored women, had women as leaders of their faith, and even represented their creator god(s) as feminine -- and that Christianity and the other Abrahamic faiths largely developed their patriarchical stucture, including their retrograde positions on women and sex, largely as a method to distinguish their 'newer' religion from the better estalished 'dirty-sex-crazed-heathen wymen cults'
that came before them.
I don't know if there is enough real evidence to establish quite all that, but if that idea generally reflects reality during paleolithic times, one might even reconsider any 'deserved progression' re: women found in the New Testament and Christianity, as little more than a small mound at the bottom of a very deep valley, when considering the longer view of human cultural development.
So really I think Christianity's sexism has two sources first is the Hebrew base of the religion,which derives its sexism from being a tribalistic desert culture, much like mongols and Arabs of later periods. Second source is the Hellenistic culture that dominated intellectual thought at the time of Christ. However of you really want a glimpse of paleolithic culture, then I suggest you look at native American culture, because they were essentially a paleo/Mesolithic culture for many years after the Europeans came. I have to say that from what I have studied of their old culture it is absolutely fascinating, and their way of viewing the world was far more enlightened then Christianity. Really makes my blood boil to think about the systematic dismantling of their culture in religion run schools.
However such cultures predate Christianity in Christian dominated places by a huge margin so that profeminist view is really over simplistic. More likely is that repressing women is a effective way to repress a society as a whole, the Christian church wrote the damn book on repressing a population effectively.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.