RE: Refuting misconceptions:3-Authenticity and preservation of the Quran
June 29, 2010 at 6:09 am
(This post was last modified: June 29, 2010 at 7:21 am by mo3taz3nbar.)
1-caliph mervan was the 14 th caliph that was a long time after caliph othman and his claims are based on nothing and i want to know how you are sure he even said that
2-the language of different families in different regions was not the same for example: french people cant say R in the same way we say it the same problem was there so some of the people writing personal copies of the Quran used to write it like they say it(wrong spelling) which may have lead to different translation and understanding specially from new muslims who dont even speak arabic
3-most of the claims made contradict what is said in the begining of the article that they was gathering the parts written in the time of muhammed(pbuh)
Narrated Qatadah: I asked Anas Ibn Malik: ‘Who collected the Qur’an at the time of Prophet?’ He replied: ‘Four, all of whom were from the Ansar: Ubay Ibn Ka‘ab, Mu‘adh Ibn Jabal, Zayd Ibn Thabit and Abu Zayd.’ (Bukhari, Kitab Fada’ilu’l-Qur’an)
4-the witnesses you are talking about was just confirming that these parts was written by the people responsible to write the Quran infront of them
5-in othman time the third caliph there was nothing done except burning personal copies to avoid different prenouncations and making copies from the original(gathered together by abu bakr) which i give the prove above that it was written and complete in time of muhammed(pbuh)
6-http://www.quran-islam.org/articles/hadith_not_from_prophet_(P1177).html
the hadith you mentioned from el seyuti book he wrote it to prove it was wrong and unauthentic i got the book in arabic but i cant find it in english translation(if you have it give me the link)
there is a lot of fabricated hadith in history books and i dont claim the authenticity of the hadith there is a lot of saying that was proved to be said by someone who was pretending to be a muslim or even said by anonymus persons(most of the hadith you brought)
7-Sahihi Buhari was just collecting all the sayings from different people and he himself wrote about a lot of the hadith in his book that it was proved to be fabricated(daeef)
in my thread from the begining i didnt use hadith as a proof for anything as authenticity is not approved as history books(there are certain rules to use hadith) i used what we have from history and confirmed stories from all history books(which authenticity is not approved 100%) and i tried to use logic as possible from the different stories written even when using hadith in setting rules its also up to the ruler and shurra under the general rules in the Quran
am not answering articles anymore if you post an article about something i will just copy and paste another article that prove your claims wrong which in the end will lead us to nothing you will believe what you want to hear even if it is someone attacking islam with no evidance and i just ignore claims with no proof even if its in my own benefit
usage of hadith is a science which can take years in studying and it needs experts to decide how to use hadith and comapare it with the Quran
2-the language of different families in different regions was not the same for example: french people cant say R in the same way we say it the same problem was there so some of the people writing personal copies of the Quran used to write it like they say it(wrong spelling) which may have lead to different translation and understanding specially from new muslims who dont even speak arabic
3-most of the claims made contradict what is said in the begining of the article that they was gathering the parts written in the time of muhammed(pbuh)
Narrated Qatadah: I asked Anas Ibn Malik: ‘Who collected the Qur’an at the time of Prophet?’ He replied: ‘Four, all of whom were from the Ansar: Ubay Ibn Ka‘ab, Mu‘adh Ibn Jabal, Zayd Ibn Thabit and Abu Zayd.’ (Bukhari, Kitab Fada’ilu’l-Qur’an)
4-the witnesses you are talking about was just confirming that these parts was written by the people responsible to write the Quran infront of them
5-in othman time the third caliph there was nothing done except burning personal copies to avoid different prenouncations and making copies from the original(gathered together by abu bakr) which i give the prove above that it was written and complete in time of muhammed(pbuh)
6-http://www.quran-islam.org/articles/hadith_not_from_prophet_(P1177).html
the hadith you mentioned from el seyuti book he wrote it to prove it was wrong and unauthentic i got the book in arabic but i cant find it in english translation(if you have it give me the link)
there is a lot of fabricated hadith in history books and i dont claim the authenticity of the hadith there is a lot of saying that was proved to be said by someone who was pretending to be a muslim or even said by anonymus persons(most of the hadith you brought)
7-Sahihi Buhari was just collecting all the sayings from different people and he himself wrote about a lot of the hadith in his book that it was proved to be fabricated(daeef)
in my thread from the begining i didnt use hadith as a proof for anything as authenticity is not approved as history books(there are certain rules to use hadith) i used what we have from history and confirmed stories from all history books(which authenticity is not approved 100%) and i tried to use logic as possible from the different stories written even when using hadith in setting rules its also up to the ruler and shurra under the general rules in the Quran
am not answering articles anymore if you post an article about something i will just copy and paste another article that prove your claims wrong which in the end will lead us to nothing you will believe what you want to hear even if it is someone attacking islam with no evidance and i just ignore claims with no proof even if its in my own benefit
usage of hadith is a science which can take years in studying and it needs experts to decide how to use hadith and comapare it with the Quran
