What's your opinion of sharking?

[Darkstar]

Yeah because Lawmakers are the perfect example of moral judgment.

Why, who else decides laws? They could be wrong, yeah, but it's their job to determine what's legal and illegal. Or maybe that would be the courts...

Besides what? just because a lawmaker promulgates a law will that stop people from object(with rational arguments)? Or that it will make it good. You have any idea how many unfair laws are in the world.

I'm sure there are bad laws out there; I can even think of some. I'm just saying that they're the ones appointed to make laws so... they make laws.

Okay I gotta ask when did I said that this pranks weren't criminal activities? Pranks can be performed in by commenting vandalism and defamation as well. Does that stop them from being pranks? Does that stop them from being criminal activities?

Let's see:

noun
1.
a trick of an amusing, playful, or sometimes malicious nature.

I guess I stand corrected. I suppose it is technically a prank; I just that that referring to it exclusively as that downplayed its significance.

INDULGENCE ISN’T ALL FORGIVING!! What! Do I need to star selling T-shirts for you to get it!

Then I clearly have misunderstood your position.

I swear I hear one more freaking time anyone else accusing me of saying that I'm willing to let this crimes go unforgiving and I will leave this thread. Because how can I believe that even after 8 freaking pages people still can't get that that's not my posture at all!!
Okay when did I said that I was willing to letting them get off scot-free.

I don't think you said that. ...there appears to have been some miscommunication on my part. I've been busy lately, and after going back over your posts, it appears I skimmed some of them a bit too shallowly. All I remembered was you instantly leaping to the defense of the perpetrators.

I means. How can you decide what's good or bad for other people if you don't take five seconds to understand other people. What you think that everyone else thinks like you? Or that they should think like you? When you claim your moral judgments are coronet but at the same time you don't even take an effort to understand other people I have to ask. What you are saying is the right thing for the world or to yourself?

So... it's wrong of me to think that other people should act in a civilized manner, and when they do bad things I should just brush it off with "boys will be boys"? I'm not saying they should be crucified, but something should be done to make it clear that their actions aren't harmless.

Some of the most horrible things in the world happened at the hands of boys but that doesn't take out the fact that they are still boys.(now you see why I posted this on the Philosophy section)

Or the fact that they were horrible things.

I get that you never made a prank but apparently that has become a excuse for you.
If you look at your previous statement you'll see the following.

I was a good boy therefor I don't understand them and therefor I will cease any effort or attempt in trying to understand them.
I gotta ask you never felt the imp use or desire to break the rules? To do something even after knowing that everyone else would judge you badly for that?

It isn't so much whether I will be judged, but whether it is right or wrong. I didn't consciously choose to do bad things, though that isn't to say I never did anything bad, just that I didn't particularly hurt anyone if I did.

To have some fun and no worrying about the consequences?

That just sounds stupid and irresponsible. It's one thing if you're risking only yourself, but when other people get hurt, it isn't funny anymore.

Most of the people who commit pranks have thought this. And I have a hard time in believing that you never experienced any of this.

You can choose to believe me or not to, but I cannot recall ever wanting to harm anyone for the fun of it, and I don't know why anyone would.

I feel as much compassion for the victims as anyone. But I don't let this cloud the fact that the perpetrators are still teens (and therefor they deserve compassion as well).

I'm not quote sure what you mean by "deserve compassion".

In high school they put a mirror on the floor to see underwear, so far none of my classmates turned out to be a rapist.

That's immature, but not nearly the same as sharking.

I get that many sociopaths didn't woke up one morning being a total monsters. I get that they committed crime after crime each time increasing the level of cruelty. Therefor I understand why you worry that if you don't stop them they might become a treat. But that depends on the person as well don't you agree. I mean in my high school they put a mirror on the floor to see underwear, so far none of my classmates turned out to be a rapist, nor mysogynist nor sociopath.
Now tell me why do you think this happened? Because no teacher caught them. So tell me what did they did wrong? Why didn't they turned id rapist or sociopaths or criminals?

Yeah, that was wrong, but
1. It wasn't the same as sharking
2. I never said that sharkers would grow up to be rapists
When I said that sharking was a sociopathic behavior, it was merely an observation. That is, it is a behavior that is antisocial and indicates a lack of empathy. That doesn't necessarily mean that the person in question will grow up to be a monster, but it does mean that sharking has crossed the line from funny harmless prank to something genuinely mean-spirited.

I don't even know what the punishment for sexual assault is

It depends on the country, age, circumstances, and identity of both the victim and criminal.

So... if younger people get lighter sentences already, why are we having this discussion? Or were there people who said they should be filleted alive that you're arguing against?

I have made mistakes (though not brushes with the law), and I'm definitely not a perfect role model, but... Wait...? "Mistakes show us who we really are" almost sounds like you're suggesting that when people do antisocial things, it's their true colors showing through , showing the world who they really are. But I'm pretty sure that's not what you meant.

Actually thats exactly what I meant.
If a person rapes a teen isn't he showing us our true colors? If a persona ran over a person ant either left or stays to take the responsibility isn't showing us our true colors?

But doesn't that fly in the face of the notion that these teens aren't really bad people despite doing bad things?

okay I'm gonna post my position so there will be no further misunderstanding.
Because I'm sick and tired of them.

• I don't think that a teen who comits sharking will certainly grow up to be a rapist or a sociopath.
  
• We should be indulgent with teen criminals who commit sharking.

I don't know what you mean here by "indulgent".

We wouldn't tried them as adults(because they aren't adults)

No! I'm not ignoring the feelings of the victims.

No I'm not saying this acts aren't crimes.

No I'm not saying this crimes stop being pranks.

No I'm not saying this crimes should be unnoticed nor unpunished.

I don think that sending this kids to prison will neither solve the problem nor help them at all.

Okay, I mostly agree with this.

Yes I care for the teen criminals(because they are still human beings and teenagers).

If by "care" you mean "think they shouldn't be lined up and shot", then yes, I care too. If you mean "boys will be boys so just let them off with a slap on the wrist" then I don't. I think your actual position lies between the two, but I'm having a tad of trouble nailing it down.

I think the crux of our disagreement is on the exact definition of being "indulgent" to the sharkers. There are:

adjective
1.
characterized by or showing indulgence; benignly lenient or permissive

in·dul·gent adjective \in-ˈdəl-jənt\
: willing to allow someone to have or enjoy something even though it may not be proper, healthy, appropriate, etc.

in·dul·gent
inˈdəljənt/Submit
adjective
adjective: indulgent
having or indicating a tendency to be overly generous to or lenient with someone.

I tend to use the third definition.