What's your opinion of sharking?

[Zidneya]

in·dul·gent adjective \in-ˈdəl-jənt\
: willing to allow someone to have or enjoy something even though it may not be proper, healthy, appropriate, etc.

Indulgence. legal indulgence in my country means avoiding prison time or reduction of sentence by doing other kind of sentence.

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Oh, I see, this is all about your enlightened and mature attitudes about the punishment of juveniles? I don't understand, then, why you've chosen sharking, rather than making a post about the general principle of punishing teens, or of whether it's ever okay to treat them as adults.

Because that leads to many interpretations, contexts, points of view, (some contradictory situations)different views, multiple situations and therefor a variety of opinions. Because lt.'s be realistic, sexual harassment coming from one teen to another is a type of bullying(according to the New York City Alliance Against Sexual Assault: Facts for teens on sexual harassment). And sexual harassment of teens can occur anywhere—in middle and high schools, in the workplace, and in community (for example, neighborhoods or the internet). Sexual harassment happens not just between the sexes, but also among girls or just boys. You see al this questions. So I decided to provide a specific topic. You know instead abording all kind of sexual harassment just talk about one kind in this case sharking.

Certainly, there was no discussion about juveniles in the OP, which I find pretty strange.

Yeah I know first I want to know each opinion before touching this topic. You know, make perfectly clear what is sharking and how it happens. Then I was planing to focus on the perpetrators and by last discussing the how to deal with the criminals and preventing it.

Normally, when I start a thread about something, I make the OP about that thing.

Yeah but if I talk about this then people just come talk and take a posture and leave. I wanted to aboard this topic deeply. That’s why in the opening statement I just ask opinion, nor saying what my posture is about so we can all start by a single point.

I wouldn't start a thread about mind/matter duality, for example, entitled, "What do you think about kiddie porn?" and then surprise everyone several posts in that I was really talking about the philosophy of mind.

Of those who make it, watch it or judge it?

I'd title it, "What do you think about mind/matter duality?"

About kidding porn as well or a totally independent topic?

No, I think I do understand: you're full of shit. You obviously started this thread for the fun of being controversial, as supported by:

No that’s just my crazy nature to certain replies. But tell me a crazy sentence overrides every other statement, comparison and reference that I’ve made? Am I supposed to be this robot that should never neither smile nor show any laugh when people say something that I find funny in a serious discussion? I may want to discuss this topic guys but I’m not gonna enjoy life just because we are talking about a delicate topic(and let’s be realistic this isn’t a delicate subject as abortion, mutilation or euthanasia).

People rarely use cute smiley characters about things they consider horrific crimes.

If sharking ends up in rape I consider it horrifinc. But sharking(a teen grabs a clothe rips of a lady and runs) by itself. No I don’t consider it horrific. It is a crime but not an horrific one.

Nobody, for example, ever says, "Teeheehee, holocaust "

We had once a debate about overpopulation in college and they actually said that. I remember it because the straight A student said it while one of my friend who like gore even he was astonished as how could someone say this.

You also encouraged us to view this illegal content,

Only to understand it.

which I consider a borderline criminal behavior in itself, or at least unethical, since you're not supposed to encourage others to violate the rights of others:

Why? I’m not saying, first watch it and the talk. Nor first watch it and enjoy it. And it’s in youtube a public page I’m not telling people to pope over the private collection of videos of someone.

This indicates that you have knowingly viewed this sexual crime, and that you think others should also view it.

”Should” isn’t “must” but yeah.

It's also an insult toward the rest of the AF.org readership

Why? If I start talking about pro-life(I’m pro choice but this is just an hypothetical example) and encourage people to watch a full video of an abortion in order to convince them that. Is a(I’m gonna quote a friend of mine here) “horrible, and disgusting act” in order to make my statement will that be an insult? If I talk about euthanasia and I tell people to watch a video of a suffering suicide will that bean insult? I talk about psychiatric abuse and I advice people to watch a video about psychiatric patients being abused will that be an insult? If I talk about a person murdering someone discussing if it was self defense or attack or paranoia and I tell the to watch footage of that event and it’s a bloody video will that be an abuse?

-- why you think watching it would be more enlightening than just a verbal description I can't understand.

” Because an image tells more than a thousand words.
Because if we are gonna discuss the topic the least we should do is watch it with our own eyes before stat discussing don’t you agree?

In the end, when it very soon became apparent that nobody else was going to think that sexual "pranks" were funny even a little bit,

I don’t think that providing illegal medical services isn’t funny as well yet if a person provides them and therefor kills a person(I’m talking about a failed illegal medical operation) the society shouldn’t take in count the lives that that person has either helped or saved and therefor show mercy.

you began a truly epic backpedal, trying to turn your trolling thread into a serious discussion.

This is a serious discussion.

Nice save, but I'm not buying it.

I’m not asking you to.

I can only assume that you live in a backward-ass country where men still see women as playthings, and where sexual crimes are looked on with an unfortunate leniency.

IN THE FUCKING PUBLIC MINISTERY OF FEDERAL DISTRICT RAPED VICTIMS ARE ACCUSED OF PROVOKE THE PERPETRATOR WHILE THEY CRY I’VE SEEN THAT WITH MY EYES SO DON’T COME TELLING ME THAT I TAKE WOMEN AS PLAYTHINGS NOT THINK THAT I’M GONNA SIT QUITE WHILE YOU SAY IT. But you know what I’ve seen as well. I’ve seen criminals crying of regret. I’ve seen congestionated prisons. I’ve seen prisoners treated as less than humans and I’ve seen people saying it’s their fault and look the other way because they are prisoners. I’ve seen prisoners being served putrid Chicharrón and spiting the worms. My ex is a lawyer and she showed me a bunch of horrific thing that people do to prisoners(Do you want to see pictures of that?, To hear the testimonies? Or is that insulting you as well? Is asking you to watch with you own fucking eyes what you are critisisin an insult). And that's why I broke up with her. Because I’m so much of a pussy that didn’t have the stomach to take it. Because I got newsflash for you pal. Watching all that it hurt me, A LOT! Because at the end of the day they are human beings. And if you can’t relate nor show compassion with them I feel sorry for you. And feeling sorry for them doesn’t make me ignore the victims pain. And I’m not gonna apologize for showing compassion for those who no one care showing compassion. Gott it. So excuse me if I have second thought of sending a kid to that experience just because he riped a piece of clothes to a girl.

So fuck you, AND whatever medieval shithole you have crawled out from.

Yeah because the opinion of your majesty means so much to me. Insult me all you want I don’t care if you hate me. I don’t care if anyone else hates me I faithful to my convictions. Who the fuck are you?!! Why should I care about you or what you have to say? Google Zidneya. And you’ll find traces of my identity all over the web. But I bet that if I google bennyboy I won’t find even a quote of you. Because that’s what you are. A no one.

And, to repeat: fuck you, Zid. Everything you have said has been about compassion for the criminals, and not the victims of sexual assault. You started a thread to be controversial, and when everyone got offended (as they should; after all, we are human), you tried to do some major back pedalling. Too late. You have been found out as the misogynistic prick you are.

Yeah because it’s all the same to you isn’t it black or white, right or wrong, criminals or victims. And if I speak about forgiving teenage(not adults but teenage kid) Therefore I must be this misogynist piece of shit that overlooks the feeling of all women all over the world. Moral isn’t a black or white, criminal or victim, jail or forgiveness to me. Have you ever met a person that has been to prison Becky Bo? Because when you live in a country were one of ten is either gone to prison, has a relative on prison or has been extorted by the law. That it’s very difficult. Have you ever hugged the little brother of your best friend after the night released him from prison while he ask you if people will even treat him as a normal good human being after this. Have you lied to his face and the look at the the expression of his face when he sees that you are lying!! THEY FUCKING RAPED HIM WHILE HE WAS THERE GODDAMIT YOU STUPID PIECE OF SHIT!!! HAVE YOU EVEN MET A PERSON THAT HAS BEING INTO JAIL?, HAVE YOU?!!!! You know what was his crime DO YOU?!! I’ll give you a hint IT’S IN THE FUCKING TITLE OF THIS THREAD YOU STUPID BITCH ( YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE THE GUTS TO EVEN STAY IN A DISCUSSION TO THE VERY END)!!! WE WAS ONLY SEVENTEEN!!(Why didn’t I said it before? Well maybe it’s because IT’S NOT OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS, and I don’t feel comfortable talking about this, I had to as a favor to bail him out of prison) So do that and then come to talk me about being a misogynist will you!!

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I always go telling people that atheist have more moral growth. That they are more moral than religious people. But how can this be if the concept of compassion, redemption, kindness and empathy is lost?

How can an atheist forum, a place were you back up every statement form evolution to the color of signs. Ever since this thread started no one has ever provided me a more convincing piece of evidence or reference of why should children should be tried as adult for sexual crimes than “ because I say so.” Sorry but if you want to convince me of judging kids as adults you’ve gotta have to do better that “because I say so”
Well guess what most of the laws in the world recognize the difference between judging a teenager is not the same as judging an adult. Grab any law book and tell me otherwise. Any!! Either if it’s from Peru, Kansas, or Dubai. They will all say that teenagers deserve a certain level of compassion regarding their crime.
I joined an English atheist forum to practice my English and to expand my atheism. But you know what if you people can’t even show any kind of empathy to other human being just because they are criminal then I don’t need to wait for a vote of banning.

I don’t belong here.