Wow looks like I missed a lot of the discussion....I'll have to check how it got to this point.
Zideneyas, you said the crime and victim thing isn't black & white, to which I agree. But tell me this, how do you define a juvenile offender? By his age, right? You are so concerned about your friend because he is 17, but let's say he had just turned 18 or whatever is considered adult in your region, would that suddenly justify a harsher punishment? Age is a factor, but the crime is much more important, or at least logically should be. Also you've never mentioned or shown any concern for the woman whatsoever. Yes she didn't go to prison, but she might've suffered a trauma which might be just as bad. I understand that what happened to your friend afterwards might not have been what he deserved, and I sympathize with you for that. But please also understand that you are being biased towards your friend and are asking everyone else to be just as biased instead of looking at the situation objectively.
Zideneyas, you said the crime and victim thing isn't black & white, to which I agree. But tell me this, how do you define a juvenile offender? By his age, right? You are so concerned about your friend because he is 17, but let's say he had just turned 18 or whatever is considered adult in your region, would that suddenly justify a harsher punishment? Age is a factor, but the crime is much more important, or at least logically should be. Also you've never mentioned or shown any concern for the woman whatsoever. Yes she didn't go to prison, but she might've suffered a trauma which might be just as bad. I understand that what happened to your friend afterwards might not have been what he deserved, and I sympathize with you for that. But please also understand that you are being biased towards your friend and are asking everyone else to be just as biased instead of looking at the situation objectively.
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