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Atheism = Desperation
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RE: Atheism = Desperation
Yay, argument from design. Nobody is claiming the universe or life were 'randomly' created. If you think evolution and the big bang are random phenomena I would encourage you to look deeper into the theories.

The reason we see an archaeological monument and think it is made by humans is because there is strong evidence to suggest humans make archaeological monuments. For example, take the megaliths in the Dutch province of Drenthe:
http://www.johnkuipers.ca/photos/megalit...oon_06.jpg

The reason we do not see this as natural phenomena is that we know humans throughout history have used rocks to build structures and we do not know of any natural process that would get the rocks into this placement, especially since the Netherlands is an incredibly flat area.

We know of animals, trees, mountains and the universe that there are natural processes that can create them and no intervention of the supernatural is needed. Complex life can come forth out of evolution, mountains form by the movement of tectonic plates and the universe can be brought into existence with a big bang.

It is true that there are gaps in our understanding of how the universe as we know it came to be, for example we don't know how life came to exist. However, just filling the gaps with a god is useless; there is no evidence that a god actually exists and it doesn't actually explain anything as it raises the question of how that god came to exist.

I could make the claim that Boes the holy Ox created life, it would explains as much as your Allah theory does; absolutely nothing.

Now here's what desperate; starting with the presupposition that Allah exists, then filling all the gaps in scientific understanding with your divine Kim Jong Un to prove he exists. It's an incredibly circular and fallacious argument.
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Atheism = Desperation - by WinterHold - November 1, 2014 at 5:12 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Aoi Magi - November 1, 2014 at 5:26 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by WinterHold - November 1, 2014 at 5:32 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by warlocksarebest - November 6, 2014 at 6:32 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Aoi Magi - November 1, 2014 at 5:35 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by WinterHold - November 1, 2014 at 6:16 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Chas - November 1, 2014 at 8:45 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Aoi Magi - November 1, 2014 at 8:46 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Chas - November 1, 2014 at 8:47 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Cato - November 1, 2014 at 8:56 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by downbeatplumb - November 1, 2014 at 9:58 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by WinterHold - November 2, 2014 at 5:04 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Esquilax - November 2, 2014 at 1:24 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Esquilax - November 1, 2014 at 10:18 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by polar bear - November 1, 2014 at 10:05 am
RE: Atheists = Desperation - by downbeatplumb - November 1, 2014 at 5:35 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by jesus_wept - November 1, 2014 at 5:38 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Aoi Magi - November 1, 2014 at 5:40 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Forsaken - November 1, 2014 at 5:42 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by miniboes - November 1, 2014 at 6:38 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by WinterHold - November 1, 2014 at 10:35 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Faith No More - November 3, 2014 at 4:37 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by robvalue - November 1, 2014 at 6:39 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by dyresand - November 1, 2014 at 9:13 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Anomalocaris - November 1, 2014 at 9:26 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Cyberman - November 1, 2014 at 9:43 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by abaris - November 1, 2014 at 9:52 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by robvalue - November 1, 2014 at 9:52 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Endo - November 1, 2014 at 10:54 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Cyberman - November 1, 2014 at 10:55 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Well Rounded Rectangle - November 1, 2014 at 10:57 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Aoi Magi - November 1, 2014 at 11:16 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by miniboes - November 1, 2014 at 12:25 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by paulpablo - November 1, 2014 at 12:57 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Minimalist - November 1, 2014 at 1:07 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Crossless1 - November 1, 2014 at 1:10 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Whateverist - November 2, 2014 at 12:44 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Aoi Magi - November 1, 2014 at 1:27 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by The Grand Nudger - November 1, 2014 at 1:32 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Esquilax - November 1, 2014 at 1:37 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Crossless1 - November 1, 2014 at 1:48 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by WinterHold - November 2, 2014 at 5:26 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by downbeatplumb - November 2, 2014 at 7:06 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by FifthElement - November 2, 2014 at 12:10 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Thumpalumpacus - November 2, 2014 at 1:07 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Esquilax - November 2, 2014 at 1:27 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Neo-Scholastic - November 3, 2014 at 11:36 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Thumpalumpacus - November 3, 2014 at 12:05 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Esquilax - November 3, 2014 at 3:20 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Neo-Scholastic - November 3, 2014 at 3:48 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Esquilax - November 3, 2014 at 3:53 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Neo-Scholastic - November 3, 2014 at 4:10 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Esquilax - November 3, 2014 at 4:52 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Neo-Scholastic - November 3, 2014 at 5:15 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Esquilax - November 3, 2014 at 5:35 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Neo-Scholastic - November 3, 2014 at 6:03 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Esquilax - November 3, 2014 at 6:57 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Thumpalumpacus - November 3, 2014 at 7:14 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Esquilax - November 4, 2014 at 12:19 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Thumpalumpacus - November 4, 2014 at 3:49 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Chas - November 3, 2014 at 7:59 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Mister Agenda - November 5, 2014 at 11:55 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Jenny A - November 3, 2014 at 9:39 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Jenny A - November 1, 2014 at 3:21 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by pocaracas - November 1, 2014 at 3:49 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by LastPoet - November 1, 2014 at 3:56 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by abaris - November 1, 2014 at 4:15 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Aoi Magi - November 1, 2014 at 4:17 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Thumpalumpacus - November 1, 2014 at 4:21 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Aoi Magi - November 1, 2014 at 4:27 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by abaris - November 1, 2014 at 4:31 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Simon Moon - November 1, 2014 at 4:47 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by abaris - November 1, 2014 at 4:51 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Thumpalumpacus - November 1, 2014 at 6:08 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Minimalist - November 3, 2014 at 2:29 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by LastPoet - November 1, 2014 at 4:32 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by robvalue - November 2, 2014 at 5:26 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by LostLocke - November 2, 2014 at 8:33 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by robvalue - November 2, 2014 at 6:35 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by WinterHold - November 3, 2014 at 7:51 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Bad Wolf - November 3, 2014 at 8:06 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by FifthElement - November 3, 2014 at 2:27 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by miniboes - November 2, 2014 at 6:52 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Alex K - November 2, 2014 at 11:28 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Bad Wolf - November 2, 2014 at 7:34 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by robvalue - November 2, 2014 at 7:37 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Cyberman - November 2, 2014 at 8:25 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by robvalue - November 2, 2014 at 12:16 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by miniboes - November 2, 2014 at 12:51 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Whateverist - November 2, 2014 at 12:58 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Thumpalumpacus - November 2, 2014 at 1:25 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Aoi Magi - November 2, 2014 at 1:05 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by downbeatplumb - November 2, 2014 at 1:11 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Aoi Magi - November 2, 2014 at 1:17 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by The Valkyrie - November 2, 2014 at 2:06 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Neo-Scholastic - November 3, 2014 at 11:22 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Cato - November 3, 2014 at 11:27 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 3, 2014 at 6:07 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by abaris - November 3, 2014 at 6:17 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by The Valkyrie - November 4, 2014 at 2:38 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by downbeatplumb - November 4, 2014 at 3:49 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by WinterHold - November 6, 2014 at 3:42 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Bad Wolf - November 6, 2014 at 3:53 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by downbeatplumb - November 6, 2014 at 4:00 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by The Valkyrie - November 6, 2014 at 4:22 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Thumpalumpacus - November 6, 2014 at 4:40 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by The Valkyrie - November 6, 2014 at 4:41 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by WinterHold - November 6, 2014 at 4:54 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Mister Agenda - November 6, 2014 at 6:48 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by WinterHold - November 6, 2014 at 9:36 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Mister Agenda - November 7, 2014 at 10:44 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by FifthElement - November 6, 2014 at 4:58 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by miniboes - November 3, 2014 at 8:02 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by TaraJo - November 3, 2014 at 8:04 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by ManMachine - November 3, 2014 at 8:40 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Cyberman - November 3, 2014 at 8:44 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by ManMachine - November 3, 2014 at 4:58 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by TreeSapNest - November 3, 2014 at 10:03 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 3, 2014 at 12:10 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Mister Agenda - November 3, 2014 at 3:40 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 3, 2014 at 3:46 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by RobbyPants - November 3, 2014 at 4:32 pm
Re: RE: Atheism = Desperation - by TubbyTubby - November 3, 2014 at 5:51 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by robvalue - November 4, 2014 at 3:34 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by FatAndFaithless - November 6, 2014 at 3:48 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by WinterHold - November 6, 2014 at 4:25 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Bad Wolf - November 6, 2014 at 5:02 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by FatAndFaithless - November 6, 2014 at 4:57 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by abaris - November 6, 2014 at 5:01 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by FatAndFaithless - November 6, 2014 at 5:04 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by abaris - November 6, 2014 at 5:05 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by WinterHold - November 6, 2014 at 5:45 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Bad Wolf - November 6, 2014 at 6:15 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by FifthElement - November 6, 2014 at 6:26 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Esquilax - November 6, 2014 at 7:05 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by FatAndFaithless - November 6, 2014 at 5:08 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by FatAndFaithless - November 6, 2014 at 5:51 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by WinterHold - November 6, 2014 at 6:12 pm

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