I understand that some people don't believe in god, but if you're going to discuss the attributes or qualities of god, even if just hypothetically, you have to understand what you're discussing. For example, if I claim that god exists and has no creator, you can't discuss god in the same context that you'd discuss anything else. An example of this is when Richard Dawkins talked about how if there's a god, it must be extremely complex if it is to be able to create everything, and so it must have started out simple, and evolved. To me that shows a lack of understanding of what is being discussed. Here's why :
- If god created everything, then in order to create, it must create from itself, as there is nothing else to create from, since god is the creator of every thing
- So, if god is directly the source of everything, and nothing exists other than god and what it creates, then there can be nothing that can or would create god
- By definition god would not have evolved, as that involves changing. For something to change there must be a framework, a reference, a context. If god is the creator of every thing, this would include any framework, reference or context in which it would change. And if god is the creator of every thing, then everything that has and ever will occur is already within god's capability.
- If a proposed creator of literally every thing exists, then it is not like us. What applies to us doesn't necessarily apply to god. We evolve, whereas a creator of every thing, by definition, wouldn't.
So if there's a god, then this god isn't a creation, it is selfexistent.
- If god created everything, then in order to create, it must create from itself, as there is nothing else to create from, since god is the creator of every thing
- So, if god is directly the source of everything, and nothing exists other than god and what it creates, then there can be nothing that can or would create god
- By definition god would not have evolved, as that involves changing. For something to change there must be a framework, a reference, a context. If god is the creator of every thing, this would include any framework, reference or context in which it would change. And if god is the creator of every thing, then everything that has and ever will occur is already within god's capability.
- If a proposed creator of literally every thing exists, then it is not like us. What applies to us doesn't necessarily apply to god. We evolve, whereas a creator of every thing, by definition, wouldn't.
So if there's a god, then this god isn't a creation, it is selfexistent.
