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Atheism = Desperation
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RE: Atheism = Desperation
(November 1, 2014 at 5:12 am)AtlasS Wrote: Observing opened up the gates to admit & conclude by every scientist in the world, that our universe is ruled & governed by an invisible law which is not viewable outside the written form of a mathematical equation or a chemical formula.

More accurately: the universe is predictable. We have created math for the sole purpose of easily communicating certain truths about the universe.

You're reading too much into it, and giving God credit where it is due to humans (math).


(November 1, 2014 at 5:12 am)AtlasS Wrote: Just like a band of cavemen who found an archeological monument, instead of admitting that somebody built it, the cavemen just said "it's randomly built !! nature built it".

Your first problem is that you're summing up our beliefs with a bad argument. We've seen buildings and monuments built by humans. We've never seen a universe built by someone. Your argument takes this form:
  • Watches are complex.
  • We know watches are built.
  • The universe is complex, sharing this quality with the watch.
  • Therefore, the universe must share the quality of being created with the watch.

Let me show you why this is specious:
  • Watches are complex.
  • We know watches have gears.
  • A CPU is complex, sharing this quality with the watch.
  • Therefore, a CPU must share the quality of having gears with the watch.


(November 1, 2014 at 5:12 am)AtlasS Wrote: Atheists are desperate from the idea of a merciful beautiful god, who actually gave this universe a law after creating it.
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While a Muslim scientist is not desperate at all. There is an entity which made all of this, the signs are there, and an entity that created all of this cannot be lesser than the one & only "god". Allah in Arabic.

How does the notion of "universe with predictable laws" at all indicate a "merciful, beautiful god"? This is a non sequitur.


(November 1, 2014 at 5:12 am)AtlasS Wrote: Desperation is very bad. It's not just bad, it's evil actually to see the universe, and just plainly and simply say "this is randomly created".

How is that "evil"? That doesn't even make sense.


(November 1, 2014 at 5:12 am)AtlasS Wrote: It defies science. It's a desperate act of utter desperation.

No, that's not science. You're shoehorning in your own previously-held religious belies for the purpose of getting the result you want. That's the exact opposite of science. Until you can put your own religious biases behind you, you will not be honestly evaluating things like this.
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Atheism = Desperation - by WinterHold - November 1, 2014 at 5:12 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Aoi Magi - November 1, 2014 at 5:26 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by WinterHold - November 1, 2014 at 5:32 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by warlocksarebest - November 6, 2014 at 6:32 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Aoi Magi - November 1, 2014 at 5:35 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by WinterHold - November 1, 2014 at 6:16 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Chas - November 1, 2014 at 8:45 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Aoi Magi - November 1, 2014 at 8:46 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Chas - November 1, 2014 at 8:47 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Cato - November 1, 2014 at 8:56 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by downbeatplumb - November 1, 2014 at 9:58 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by WinterHold - November 2, 2014 at 5:04 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Esquilax - November 2, 2014 at 1:24 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Esquilax - November 1, 2014 at 10:18 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by polar bear - November 1, 2014 at 10:05 am
RE: Atheists = Desperation - by downbeatplumb - November 1, 2014 at 5:35 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by jesus_wept - November 1, 2014 at 5:38 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Aoi Magi - November 1, 2014 at 5:40 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Forsaken - November 1, 2014 at 5:42 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by miniboes - November 1, 2014 at 6:38 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by WinterHold - November 1, 2014 at 10:35 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Faith No More - November 3, 2014 at 4:37 pm
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RE: Atheism = Desperation - by dyresand - November 1, 2014 at 9:13 am
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RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Cyberman - November 1, 2014 at 9:43 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by abaris - November 1, 2014 at 9:52 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by robvalue - November 1, 2014 at 9:52 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Endo - November 1, 2014 at 10:54 am
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RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Whateverist - November 2, 2014 at 12:44 pm
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RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Esquilax - November 1, 2014 at 1:37 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Crossless1 - November 1, 2014 at 1:48 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by WinterHold - November 2, 2014 at 5:26 am
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RE: Atheism = Desperation - by FifthElement - November 2, 2014 at 12:10 pm
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RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Neo-Scholastic - November 3, 2014 at 4:10 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Esquilax - November 3, 2014 at 4:52 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Neo-Scholastic - November 3, 2014 at 5:15 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Esquilax - November 3, 2014 at 5:35 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Neo-Scholastic - November 3, 2014 at 6:03 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Esquilax - November 3, 2014 at 6:57 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Thumpalumpacus - November 3, 2014 at 7:14 pm
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RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Chas - November 3, 2014 at 7:59 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Mister Agenda - November 5, 2014 at 11:55 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Jenny A - November 3, 2014 at 9:39 pm
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RE: Atheism = Desperation - by LastPoet - November 1, 2014 at 3:56 pm
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RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Thumpalumpacus - November 1, 2014 at 4:21 pm
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RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Simon Moon - November 1, 2014 at 4:47 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by abaris - November 1, 2014 at 4:51 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Thumpalumpacus - November 1, 2014 at 6:08 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Minimalist - November 3, 2014 at 2:29 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by LastPoet - November 1, 2014 at 4:32 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by robvalue - November 2, 2014 at 5:26 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by LostLocke - November 2, 2014 at 8:33 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by robvalue - November 2, 2014 at 6:35 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by WinterHold - November 3, 2014 at 7:51 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Bad Wolf - November 3, 2014 at 8:06 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by FifthElement - November 3, 2014 at 2:27 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by miniboes - November 2, 2014 at 6:52 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Alex K - November 2, 2014 at 11:28 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Bad Wolf - November 2, 2014 at 7:34 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by robvalue - November 2, 2014 at 7:37 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Cyberman - November 2, 2014 at 8:25 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by robvalue - November 2, 2014 at 12:16 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by miniboes - November 2, 2014 at 12:51 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Whateverist - November 2, 2014 at 12:58 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Thumpalumpacus - November 2, 2014 at 1:25 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Aoi Magi - November 2, 2014 at 1:05 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by downbeatplumb - November 2, 2014 at 1:11 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Aoi Magi - November 2, 2014 at 1:17 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by The Valkyrie - November 2, 2014 at 2:06 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Neo-Scholastic - November 3, 2014 at 11:22 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Cato - November 3, 2014 at 11:27 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 3, 2014 at 6:07 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by abaris - November 3, 2014 at 6:17 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by The Valkyrie - November 4, 2014 at 2:38 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by downbeatplumb - November 4, 2014 at 3:49 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by WinterHold - November 6, 2014 at 3:42 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Bad Wolf - November 6, 2014 at 3:53 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by downbeatplumb - November 6, 2014 at 4:00 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by The Valkyrie - November 6, 2014 at 4:22 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Thumpalumpacus - November 6, 2014 at 4:40 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by The Valkyrie - November 6, 2014 at 4:41 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by WinterHold - November 6, 2014 at 4:54 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Mister Agenda - November 6, 2014 at 6:48 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by WinterHold - November 6, 2014 at 9:36 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Mister Agenda - November 7, 2014 at 10:44 am
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by FifthElement - November 6, 2014 at 4:58 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by miniboes - November 3, 2014 at 8:02 am
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RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Mister Agenda - November 3, 2014 at 3:40 pm
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RE: Atheism = Desperation - by FatAndFaithless - November 6, 2014 at 3:48 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by WinterHold - November 6, 2014 at 4:25 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Bad Wolf - November 6, 2014 at 5:02 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by FatAndFaithless - November 6, 2014 at 4:57 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by abaris - November 6, 2014 at 5:01 pm
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RE: Atheism = Desperation - by WinterHold - November 6, 2014 at 5:45 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by Bad Wolf - November 6, 2014 at 6:15 pm
RE: Atheism = Desperation - by FifthElement - November 6, 2014 at 6:26 pm
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RE: Atheism = Desperation - by FatAndFaithless - November 6, 2014 at 5:08 pm
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