Atheism = Desperation

[Esquilax]

You keep bring up the beginning of the universe and I have already pointed out that it is irrelevant.

Not to what I was actually talking about initially.

What does matter is that sensible bodies have dispositional properties, in the here and now, that include certain potentials and exclude others. Their various dispositions contingent on something other than themselves and that contingency is what makes things actualize in the way that they do.

I don't see any support for the idea of a prime mover in there. Just a description of the fact that things are things, and are not other things. What's your justification for the idea that existence itself requires magic?

Then you do not understand that for which I am arguing (no surprise there). In New Church theology, like orthodox branches of Christianity, believes that God is a creator, but also, the sustainer of everything that exists from moment to moment.

Yeah, I know. Obviously I disagree, but what I was pointing out, and you evidently missed (no surprise there) is that there's rather a gap between "prime mover" and "Chad's specific christian god," that you don't seem particularly interested in bridging, and that it's disingenuous to argue for the former when you believe in the latter.

Argue for what you believe, not some watered down version of it that's devoid of actual characteristics beyond "does the thing that resolves the problem I've simply defined into existence by fiat assertion." Are you William Lane Craig now?