RE: Systematically Dismantling Atheism
November 3, 2014 at 10:57 pm
(This post was last modified: November 3, 2014 at 11:12 pm by Alex K.)
(November 3, 2014 at 10:49 pm)IDScience Wrote:Where did you pull this notion from? How is this FFE business in any way special to IDed systems as opposed to, erm, just some aspect of reality which you just arbitrarily attributed to designed things?'robvalue Wrote:There is only one way to "dismantle" atheism, and that is to provide testable evidence that a god exists. This has never happened, and until it does, atheism is the rational position (as well as a very
misunderstood position). If god gets defined as something untestable, then that's that. It is indistinguishable from something that doesn't exist.
We do have testable evidence for ID (not necessarily God). The universe and biological system contain the Hallmarks all other ID systems. These Hallmarks are functional fixed (can not evolve) elements (FFE). The universe has FFE with the constants, and biological systems have FFE with the conserved elements. These are elements that must remain frozen in place or the system will not function Just as your car engine, PC codes, a bicycle, carnival rides etc.. all have functional elements that are fixed in place and do not evolve.
Quote:And because 100% of ID systems have FFE, we can deduce the conclusion that the universe and biological systems were also ID, from the premise that all ID systems also have FFE.
Erm. What??? That's nonsense.
Quote:Stable function is impossible without fixed elements firmly established. Even Dawkins admits if evolution is proven false, God is proven true. And elements that do not evolve falsifies the theory that predicts the entire system must evolve, and science has yet to understand (or admit) this
Did he now? I don't think evolution can really be proven false at this point, we just know it happens. Therefore this point is entirely moot. And what's with these elements which do not evolve disproving evolution, because somehow *everything must* evolve? You just pulled that out of your behind, nowhere does the theory predict this. Can you maybe be a bit more specific what you even mean by this? One example of what you think must evolve, but doesn't?
It is for example quite possible that the physical constants did evolve, with new universes birthed from others with modification. It's speculation, but it flies in the face of what yiu are trying to argue here.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition