(November 6, 2014 at 5:45 pm)AtlasS Wrote: Which is simply uncreative and stupid ; too. To copycat I mean.
The goal is not determined by us. The goal is what the implementation of the design actually "does".
Then you are begging the question by defining every "goal" as designed when the "goal" itself is simply descriptive of what a given thing does.
To be clear, evolution also grants organisms a "goal," in that existing in specific survival niches are what those organisms do and what their specific physical structures are developed to accomplish, all without some grand architect pushing the buttons. The tree that exudes oxygen does so because it is a member of a long line of trees that exude oxygen as a part of their photosynthesis, which is something they do because deriving nutrients from the sun is a part of their evolved ability to survive. No wizard needed to wave his hand to make this so, and yet here we have trees, with a goal.
So from an outside perspective we now have goals and designs that are natural, and goals and designs that are artificial. If you just tuck "intentionally designed by active intellects" in as part of your definition of design then you're denying the former for no good reason, and begging the question by including that in your definition of natural things, when it is the thing you are trying to demonstrate.
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