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"How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted
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RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted
(November 7, 2014 at 11:21 am)Esquilax Wrote:
(November 7, 2014 at 10:58 am)Chad32 Wrote: Objective right and wrong can be reached, even if morality is subjective. Yes the bible does have clear views of what it deems right and wrong. You are allowed to own people. You are allowed to commit mass murder of non christians. Jesus commands you to love your neighbor as yourself, but also hate yourself. Above anything else you are commanded to love god, and good or bad actions take a back seat to that.

And notably, which these "objective morality" fuckers never seem to get, when they're slinging mud at everyone else, is that those commands are exactly as subjective as what they're denigrating, because god is a subject too. Where did these supposed "objective morals" come from? Oh, god's mind? Would that be the same place that it's wrong for morals to come from when a humanist does it?

At least the humanists fucking think about their moral decisions before they make them. Truthfully the theist starts out on the same level as the atheist, and then purposely lowers themselves by refusing to think through their morality first.
I have a difficult time making sense of "objective morality" for the very reason you point out, Esq. Chad, your first sentence appears to include mutually exclusive affirmations. Judgments regarding right and wrong are evaluative interpretations that subjects read into physical facts, so the requirement for objectivity in morality is that these evaluations supervene the facts independently of any subject's interpretation of them...which seems to me to be a wooden-iron, a contradictio in adjecto. Only to the extent that human beings agree on their fundamental needs and desires is a particular moral framework possible.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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"How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by mralstoner - November 7, 2014 at 6:59 am
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by Napoléon - November 7, 2014 at 9:33 am
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by LostLocke - November 7, 2014 at 9:58 am
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by abaris - November 7, 2014 at 10:07 am
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by mralstoner - November 7, 2014 at 10:37 am
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by Chad32 - November 7, 2014 at 10:58 am
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by Esquilax - November 7, 2014 at 11:21 am
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by Mudhammam - November 7, 2014 at 5:07 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by Chad32 - November 7, 2014 at 11:26 am
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by abaris - November 7, 2014 at 1:29 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by Chad32 - November 7, 2014 at 1:42 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by dimaniac - November 7, 2014 at 2:36 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by Jackalope - November 7, 2014 at 2:46 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by Chad32 - November 7, 2014 at 2:47 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by Napoléon - November 7, 2014 at 3:22 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by abaris - November 7, 2014 at 3:26 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by Napoléon - November 7, 2014 at 3:28 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by dimaniac - November 7, 2014 at 2:59 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by Esquilax - November 7, 2014 at 3:06 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by Jackalope - November 7, 2014 at 3:37 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by Chad32 - November 7, 2014 at 4:20 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by Esquilax - November 7, 2014 at 3:18 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by Ravenshire - November 7, 2014 at 3:46 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by abaris - November 7, 2014 at 3:48 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by dimaniac - November 7, 2014 at 3:28 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by genkaus - November 7, 2014 at 3:32 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by Jackalope - November 7, 2014 at 3:38 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by Napoléon - November 7, 2014 at 3:42 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by Esquilax - November 7, 2014 at 3:59 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by LostLocke - November 7, 2014 at 4:03 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by dimaniac - November 7, 2014 at 3:50 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by Jackalope - November 7, 2014 at 5:50 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by dimaniac - November 7, 2014 at 4:06 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by Napoléon - November 7, 2014 at 4:20 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by LostLocke - November 7, 2014 at 4:28 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by dimaniac - November 7, 2014 at 4:31 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by Napoléon - November 7, 2014 at 4:33 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by LostLocke - November 7, 2014 at 9:57 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by dimaniac - November 8, 2014 at 9:05 am
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by Esquilax - November 7, 2014 at 4:57 pm
RE: "How Can I Be Happy?" - Humanism Refuted - by dimaniac - November 7, 2014 at 4:38 pm

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