RE: What created God?
July 10, 2010 at 3:05 pm
(This post was last modified: July 10, 2010 at 3:06 pm by The Omnissiunt One.)
If I may join in with this debate...
Okay, that's fair enough. Just so long as you understand that omnipotence in its truest form would be logically impossible, I'll let you define it in a way so as to be logically coherent.
Indeed, no experiment has yet proved 'the physicality of consciousness'. That may be more of a philosophical question than a scientific one, anyway. What science has shown overwhelmingly is that consciousness is dependent upon a material, physical brain which is operative.
These revelations are contradictory, if you hadn't noticed, both between religions and within religions.
Most Christians believe God is uncreated, as he is generally understood to be eternal. Something eternal by definition cannot be created. Besides, creating definitions which are compatible with logic doesn't make that being's existence likely.
(July 10, 2010 at 4:25 am)tackattack Wrote: Ok so we've established I understand where you're coming from and you're not seeing my perspective entirely. Let’s see if I can take this step by step.
1-I think I can clear up things. From your logic, omnipotence itself is contrary on an absolute scale. How can something have the power to do something that is against its own nature? Once you do that thing it then becomes part of your experience and then part of said character. The limits of logical omnipotence have to have at the very least a limit of “All power, within individual’s nature”. Hopefully from that you can see where your definition of omnipotent is illogical in itself and you’ll hopefully use the definition I provided to try and grasp the theological perspective.
Okay, that's fair enough. Just so long as you understand that omnipotence in its truest form would be logically impossible, I'll let you define it in a way so as to be logically coherent.
Quote:5- Completely ignoring transcendence, I’d like to see where any experiments (including the QM theories) on consciousness prove that self-identity can be eliminated entirely physically. Alter yes, I’ve seen experiments on that, but I don’t think science has yet proven the physicality of consciousness yet. If I’m wrong please enlighten me with references.
Indeed, no experiment has yet proved 'the physicality of consciousness'. That may be more of a philosophical question than a scientific one, anyway. What science has shown overwhelmingly is that consciousness is dependent upon a material, physical brain which is operative.
Quote:6.1-Yes, God exists outside the universe by definition, but through God’s revelations he interacts with this universe and can thus be described and defined. This is of course dependant on how we perceive reality.
These revelations are contradictory, if you hadn't noticed, both between religions and within religions.
Quote:6A- And you’re entitled to exclude what you feel is appropriate. For the record, I’ve never ( here or anywhere else) changed the attributes I attest to God. You’re assuming I have defined a God that has no creator. That’s simply not in a Christian’s prevue and I’ve defined clearly the Christian understanding of God (to which you’d be hard pressed to find one that disagrees on the basics).
Most Christians believe God is uncreated, as he is generally understood to be eternal. Something eternal by definition cannot be created. Besides, creating definitions which are compatible with logic doesn't make that being's existence likely.
'We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart.' H.L. Mencken
'False religion' is the ultimate tautology.
'It is just like man's vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because it is dumb to his dull perceptions.' Mark Twain
'I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it.' Abraham Lincoln
'False religion' is the ultimate tautology.
'It is just like man's vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because it is dumb to his dull perceptions.' Mark Twain
'I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it.' Abraham Lincoln