RE: Full circle
November 16, 2014 at 3:50 pm
(This post was last modified: November 16, 2014 at 3:50 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 16, 2014 at 3:31 pm)IATIA Wrote: by virtue of extrapolation, science and god run into the same issue. First Cause. What caused the Big Bang?As before, I don't know, I don't even know if the term is applicable. I'm not willing to extrapolate based upon the current behaviors of this universe to something "else" which is explicitly not -this universe-.
Quote:Theists get around this, ineffectively I might add, by insisting that god was the first cause and always was with no before god.So they don't get around it at all.
Quote:Science on the other hand has not come up with a viable 'First Cause' either. The latest greatest, that I am aware of, is that a uncaused fluctuation in the pre Big Bang universe/world/space (stick whatever word or description you would like here) led to the explosion of a singularity. Either scenario still has a multitude of issues, mainly what was before the First Cause?We don't know is a pretty good answer when, well, you don't know.
Quote:Once one dismisses time, before and after cease to exist which eliminates first causes and infinite regression.Time and causality are not so tightly bound as concepts. You'll have to be much more specific. If things were not as they were (say we dismissed time) then things could still be a cause for other things. Precedence or any of that doesn't mean jack when you "dismiss time" (like it does in our universe, with time) but causation would still be possible and applicable. Might be trickier to determine what is what though.
Quote: This would mean that everything, every possibility exists now. Quantum physics equations even suggest this possibility.Sigh, qm.............
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