FERGUSON

[Brian37]

I think this preemptive bullshit on the states part is racist. It is more blaming the victim and assuming the worst of a minority. It solves nothing about conditions to ignore what caused the riots after Rodney King is the same thing that caused the reaction to the shooting of Brown.

These assholes didn't have a preemptive "Dont riot or destroy private property during the up coming pumpkin festival" Or "Dont riot or destroy property after your college or pro hockey team loses".

The other sick part of all this I am seeing a trend on, is some claiming liberals are the real racists. This is sample rate error and selection bias. Yes you can find people who vote democrat who voted for Clinton but hate blacks as much as Tea Party nuts, certainly not impossible.

You can find black voting republicans, but you can also find southern blacks who while voted for Obama also voted against gay marriage.

But the the numbers about how lack of good pay, lack of economic stability, and higher arrest and prison rates are numbers not in dispute. Blacks and Latinos are still ratio wise affected by poverty and crime and economic disparity. It isn't that blacks or Latinos commit crimes at a higher ratio than whites, that is a myth. The simply get arrested more and punished more harshly.

I do think there IS a growing desire of more people to not want race to be an issue. You do see even younger republican and libertarian voters not get stuck on gay or race issues. But you are still talking about old money and old power still holding the cards. Not as always being intentional but a climate.

The other hypocrisy about Tea Party and gun nutters is that they will rightfully point out an over weaponized police force, and even rightfully bitch about police abuse or government abuse. Ruby Ridge comes to mind. The two nuts who murdered the cops and shot the guy in the Walmart certainly hated cops. So why do they want to have it both ways? Why when a white person complains about police abuse is right, but when a black person fears police they suddenly become "thugs"?

What is going on here in reality? Is someone wrong for saying "blacks should not tear up their own shit"? No, you even hear blacks say that. And they are not wrong of course. So if we agree riots don't help then why do they happen?

Why did the Russian revolution happen? Why did the French Revolution happen? Why do Somali pirates kidnap people? What drives a human to steal a loaf of bread? CONDITIONS, all those things happen because of conditions. You put people in bad economic conditions and you do not address those conditions that population is always going to get to the point of reacting to those conditions.

Now if we are going to be fair to both the community and cops, then WE have to accept the conditions as the cause and accept race as an issue before we can move on to race not being an issue. If whites or blacks want to not have to fear cops, then economics will allow people more stability which will reduce anxiety and fear. If cops don't have to fear blacks or whites having guns, or weapons, then they do not have to be trained to fear the worst. But you cannot have it both ways. You cannot say "no rules no rules" when it comes to guns, then complain about police being over armed. It is unreasonable to expect law to be armed with water pistols if everyone is armed with unlimited clips or assault rifles and almost no control of the volume of both legal and illegal guns availability.

Democrat or republican, there still is a deep seeded xenophobia of minorities that until accepted will not solve problems. I think one of the biggest things that can help long term is understanding that "minority" is a number and is also geographical and a time frame issue. Our society's demographics are changing and whites in the future will be the new minority.

If one thinks it should not be about race, that is great and I do agree. The two things we can do as a society are first to accept that it is an issue, and at the same time address ECONOMICS for everyone. You do those things long term blacks and whites will not fear each other nor will we have to fear law enforcement. So the only real dispute becomes how do we get to that point?

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I will say this, the lack of transparency such as Wilson hiding his report and literally putting nothing in it in detail pisses me off. Now I have been hearing crap about blaming the grand jury if there is no indictment, hard to blame them if they are presented a one sided argument with no transparency. One of two things are going on, or both. The cops are circling the wagons because that is what cops do, or you still have a climate of power controlled by mostly white people who are a mix of bigots, or whites who fail to see race as an issue.

I don't say this as "all whites are bigots" I think in terms of collective climate of both intentional and unintentional ignorance.