(November 19, 2014 at 6:46 pm)Lek Wrote:(November 19, 2014 at 6:30 pm)Chuck Wrote: I believe the concept of god favored by any theist I've ever met has all the attributes of an concept that started so flawed as to be utterly indefensible right from the beginning, and subsequently made worse by ad hoc bullshits clearly concocted to cover its flaws from the gullible.
It is not a wise bet that concept with such attributes, and lacking any independent direct evidence, has significant chance of being factual.
I would say anything else so unlikely to be true, for example the sun actually rises from the west and an elaborate misunderstanding caused us to believe it actually arises from the east, could be confidently dismissed as false. So god as you or any theists claim him to be as clearly do not exist as the sun does not rise from the west.
Do you think that there is a chance that the energy that makes up the cosmos either always existed or that it came into being from absolutely nothing?
Of course there is a chance. But whether universe came from nothing, or came from something (which begs the question that you only assert you can answer, but do not answer at all), what it came from has no reason whatsoever to resemble your "god".