(November 19, 2014 at 9:08 pm)Brian37 Wrote:(November 19, 2014 at 3:06 pm)Irrational Wrote: Logic is a tool we use to make sense of this world, but it is not a perfect tool for knowledge about everything.
I never claimed life is perfect. Logic is a tool, but there is still good ways to approach how logic works better and simply going "that feels right" which is laypersons use of the term "logic". Another BS cliche is "common sense".
You don't simply use the word "logic" anymore than it is to argue the laws of thermodynamics separately like some theist do trying to attack science.
What you really mean by "logic" is that humans evolved to seek patterns. But that by itself is not "logic". Even in science the procedure is to test your data with control groups and then have independent peers review it to insure your own bias has not crept in.
People have reasons for lots of things that feel logical and they look for reasons to call that "logic". No that is simply fishing for excuses to hold a position.
There is a way to approach problem solving as to gaining knowledge and there are simply people looking for excuses to justify the positions they hold.
I don't see how any of that is some sort of claim that there is perfect knowledge. There still are things in life, when confirmed consistently you can use and build upon, and other things that simply hold no weight and are not worth considering once they are known to be irrelevant to our current and best data.
If something is irrelevant to our current and best data, then all this means is that it's not reasonable to believe in that something. But it isn't proof that, therefore, that something does not exist. Nor does it mean we should never consider the possibility of its existence and base our views on such a consideration.