Evil things Christianity supports

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Atheism? Absolutely nothing. I was an atheist before I could even recognize myself in a mirror.

There are a myriad other factors that affect human beings regardless of their religious affiliation.

Loving upbringing, good rule of law, recognition of right and wrong (as normatively defined) etc etc.

Would appreciate if you stopped telling us what we believe though. It's not very conducive to a good conversation if you insist on telling people what they believe and they attacking them because of it.

Incidentally, have you ever visited northern or central Europe?

finally, contrary to popular belief, saying 'fuck' within your dialogue, be it online or in RL, doesn't automatically detract from the point (where relevant) being made. Though if you have a personal distaste for that particular word, you may need to grow a thicker skin.

1. You are correct that atheism cant offer anything substantial by way of power to live a better life , for, its too self serving and for real big inner change to occur in a Person it requires a power higher than oneself to make it a reality. You can only get so much from self help books and the like . For a murderer to be truly transformed inwardly, it requires a personal deep experience with the living Christ .

Nah. I suspect you're probably talking bollocks here, and I also suspect you have absolutely no experience in palliative, psychological or indeed clinical care and rehabilitation.

You'd need to get a look at what type of murderer you're talking about. someone who murdered in a crime of passion is massively different to, say, a serial killer with psychopathy who would have a lack of empathy to his/her victims.

It's not really black and white, and certainly has nothing to do with atheism/theism. Nothing at all.

2. You didn't start out 'an atheist'...rather, you started out being an inquisitive innocent THEIST .

Nah. I had/have no concept of what a god is/are, so to call me a theist now or then would be about as wrong as wrong could be.

EDIT: You changed your post to say quasi-theist. I'm not sure you know what quasi means because in the context you're talking that doesn't make any sense.

Heres how it most likely went down when you were very young :

You have no idea about anything that's happened in my life, so saying this is actually really pretty offensive and probably not very Jesus like.

If you were a real 'Atheist' you would have no reason to ask your Parents : how did all of this get here, or, why are we here ?

Why? That's probably one of the silliest comments I've ever read on an online forum. And I'm sure you could imagine that there's been a lot.

Why would inquisitiveness = theist? If you read the rest of your post it would appear that in fact that's the antithesis of reality isn't it? If somebody told me a 'god' created everything, that would use would there be in me questioning anything?

I don't think what you've said makes any sense.

You would automatically assume it was by accident for no reason

....what? What has atheism got to do with any of this? Atheism is a lack of belief in deities. It's got nothing to do with universal origin or indeed human origin.

...but...you didnt assume that. Your Parents response , based on thier philosophical bias, groomed you to believe they were telling you the truth. Then as you entered school, you got some reinforcing ideas that you were just a cosmic accident of unpurposed Pond Scum .

I'm pretty close to reporting you here. You can't say what my parents 'said' to me or what I asked them...ever. Maybe stop being so judgmental? Maybe ask people what they believe/think before presuming?

I'm not going to go into any detail because you haven't asked and don't deserve to know anything about me, but needless to say, my parents and I never discussed religion, and it's not correct either to say that both my parents are/were atheists.

As the years went by, and you started to adopt a self centered lifestyle based on maximum pleasure , you found atheism best suited your lifestyle choices with the added 'benefit' of no ultimate moral accountability to anyone higher than yourself.

You have no right to say what lifestyle I live, doubly so because you haven't even bothered to ask me.

No definition of utility in your comment either, making it redundant.

This continued into adulthood , where, the total freedom for pleasure seeking became a reality with being an adult. After many years of living in this addiction to SELF , you refuse anything which becomes a fly in the ointment to what youve chosen for yourself including : an unwillingness to look into evidence for Creation , not wanting a personal Creator to even exist , grasping at desperate philosophies and theories that many others embrace as a philosophical bias, and, a refusal to become LESS consumed with self gratification because it is 'your freedom and right' .

This is all speculation based on zero evidence. You are claiming to know something that it is impossible for you to know. What is with you guys and presuming to know all the facts and then jumping in head first?

If you've got evidence of this creation by all means, present it. No idea what an addiction of self is either because you've failed to define what it is you're talking about.

3. Its only the atheistic tenet of moral relativism that makes permissible the use of the F word as common verbage .. but im afraid that objectively and according to Gods standards, it is a sign of a low life person who suppresses his moral conscience in order to get what he wants or to talk as he wishes. Since Atheism is utterly fallacious and a disorder congruent with human depravity (a man made philosophy born out of pride, willful rebellion, and desired arrogance) so man can live as he likes.....usage of despicable terms only serve to help justify the suppression of his moral conscience because hes made himself his own little 'god' our of convenience. I once bought into the defeatist attitudes and language of God haters ; what God has done for me , he can do for you to if you want to overcome your Will to be a God rejector.

There is no such thing as atheist tenant [sic].

I don't hate any god(s) because I don't believe in any of the one's that have been presented to me.

Nice to know that, contrary to my other post, you are indeed the very same judgmental type of theist who would be least likely to get into heaven if it were real. 'low life person' just because they swear? You must be fun at parties.