(November 28, 2014 at 1:07 pm)Heywood Wrote: Walmart already foots the bill for your welfare state.I would certainly hope so, since they're a major recipient of it despite not actually requiring welfare, or being technically eligible.....
Quote:What I am proposing is a less complicated, more efficient and more fair state. I propose this state because I have come to realize that as a society it is simply evil to make it illegal for the least productive, least desirable workers to sell their labor at market wages.I think that it might be a bit too far to call that evil. The workers and the state want a minimum wage, the business has agreed to it. They can decide not to, they can go elsewhere. They don't. No one is forcing Walmart to have stores in the US and I'm sure that a hefty portion of the US would be glad to see them go. Not me, I like Walmart, but meh.
Quote:I propose this state because I realize that our current gains in productivity and future gains in productivity will mean most people will not have to work.Then why do they need some basic wage? If things become so cheap as to be essentially free (the only way that the majority of us wouldn't need work) then our discussion becomes moot. No current system is designed or equipped to handle a reality like that.
Quote: I propose this state because I don't want to see a future state in which the government tells my children how much to spend on food, how much to spend on housing, how much to spend on utilities, how much to spend on communication etc.Which is exactly what welfare does, basic wage included. You think that they're going to stop doing that while -increasing- the welfare state? Why?
Quote: I want my children to enjoy the freedom I enjoy and further enjoy the ability not to have to work because of productions gains made by society as a whole.Then set them up, don't ask Walmart or me to subsidize the fantasy life you have in mind for your children Heywood.......christ man....take a little responsibility.
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