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we don't send ourselves to hell
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RE: we don't send ourselves to hell
(December 1, 2014 at 11:11 pm)Godschild Wrote: That's because you've never experienced God's love, free will is that important to Him. God is never conflicted, He's omniscient. His well being lays only with Him, He's omnipotent. If God was only obliged to himself, then why did Jesus die for us. Seems you have some problems in your thoughts about God.
The problem is in the way you are portraying god. You didn't really respond to what I said, you just restated what you believe god to be. But the conflict remains. God cannot be made to act against his will by anyone, yet he acts against his own desires because of human action. That is from your own explanation of his nature. There is a conflict, and humans will always be able to force god to act against his desire unless they are stripped of free will. The situation as you describe it does not make sense.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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we don't send ourselves to hell - by dyresand - December 1, 2014 at 2:38 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by The Valkyrie - December 1, 2014 at 2:40 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by dyresand - December 1, 2014 at 3:09 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Godschild - December 1, 2014 at 3:15 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by abaris - December 1, 2014 at 3:22 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by The Valkyrie - December 1, 2014 at 3:26 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by dyresand - December 1, 2014 at 3:31 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Godschild - December 1, 2014 at 6:57 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by The Valkyrie - December 1, 2014 at 6:59 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Nope - December 1, 2014 at 7:42 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Godschild - December 1, 2014 at 11:11 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by dyresand - December 2, 2014 at 12:47 am
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Nope - December 2, 2014 at 1:11 am
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by dyresand - December 2, 2014 at 1:15 am
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Tonus - December 2, 2014 at 6:20 am
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Tonus - December 1, 2014 at 3:42 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Godschild - December 1, 2014 at 7:00 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by The Valkyrie - December 1, 2014 at 7:12 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Godschild - December 1, 2014 at 7:18 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by The Valkyrie - December 1, 2014 at 7:50 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Tonus - December 1, 2014 at 7:58 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Neo-Scholastic - December 1, 2014 at 3:20 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Cato - December 1, 2014 at 3:36 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by John V - December 1, 2014 at 7:46 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Neo-Scholastic - December 1, 2014 at 8:13 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by John V - December 2, 2014 at 8:23 am
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Tonus - December 2, 2014 at 9:27 am
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by abaris - December 2, 2014 at 10:02 am
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Neo-Scholastic - December 2, 2014 at 3:06 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by John V - December 2, 2014 at 4:56 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by abaris - December 2, 2014 at 6:16 am
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Minimalist - December 1, 2014 at 3:45 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by dyresand - December 1, 2014 at 4:09 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Drich - December 1, 2014 at 5:46 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by IATIA - December 1, 2014 at 7:49 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Minimalist - December 1, 2014 at 5:54 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by dyresand - December 1, 2014 at 6:22 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Godschild - December 2, 2014 at 1:54 am
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Fidel_Castronaut - December 2, 2014 at 4:30 am
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Nope - December 2, 2014 at 9:14 am
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by IATIA - December 2, 2014 at 12:17 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Godschild - December 2, 2014 at 2:15 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Cato - December 2, 2014 at 10:12 am
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by abaris - December 2, 2014 at 10:20 am
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by The Valkyrie - December 2, 2014 at 2:13 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Whateverist - December 2, 2014 at 9:06 am
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by dyresand - December 2, 2014 at 2:53 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by The Valkyrie - December 2, 2014 at 3:00 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Godschild - December 2, 2014 at 3:58 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Fidel_Castronaut - December 2, 2014 at 3:59 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Godschild - December 2, 2014 at 4:15 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by FatAndFaithless - December 2, 2014 at 4:17 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Godschild - December 2, 2014 at 4:30 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by FatAndFaithless - December 2, 2014 at 4:34 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Godschild - December 2, 2014 at 5:26 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by The Valkyrie - December 2, 2014 at 4:14 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by FatAndFaithless - December 2, 2014 at 4:00 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Godschild - December 2, 2014 at 4:13 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by FatAndFaithless - December 2, 2014 at 4:15 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Godschild - December 2, 2014 at 4:27 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by abaris - December 2, 2014 at 4:32 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Godschild - December 2, 2014 at 4:53 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by FatAndFaithless - December 2, 2014 at 4:29 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by The Valkyrie - December 2, 2014 at 4:32 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Godschild - December 2, 2014 at 4:35 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by FatAndFaithless - December 2, 2014 at 4:37 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by abaris - December 2, 2014 at 4:41 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by Godschild - December 2, 2014 at 4:56 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by dyresand - December 2, 2014 at 7:46 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by abaris - December 2, 2014 at 4:59 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by FatAndFaithless - December 2, 2014 at 5:27 pm
RE: we don't send ourselves to hell - by KevinM1 - December 2, 2014 at 6:58 pm

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