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(December 2, 2014 at 8:19 am)simplemoss Wrote: This is proof officer Wilson was lying about the events, he said brown ran 30 feet away then turned around and "charged" 10 ft back. Yet the body "magically" was discovered 148 ft away from the squad car whatever happened that day u can be sure Wilson is lying about it.

And the fact that first year law student could indict this man but the prosecutor didn't is proof of racism bigotry and brutality in the state of Missouri

I am not going to go as far as saying Wilson was intentionally lying. I do think he is full of shit, if he says he was afraid. No sane person who is supposedly trained to asses danger is going to verbally or physically confront someone while at a tactical disadvantage. Maybe you can argue he was afraid after the struggle started, but lying or simply delusional, he could not have been afraid when he first pulled up.

REGARDLESS the system is flawed and it still boils down to humans and flawed perception. If one wants to argue Wilson's fear, it still would not mean that his view of reality during the moment was accurate.

The same flawed perceptions cause people to create gods, see butterflies in inkblots, images in toast. ECT ECT ECT. Human's flawed perceptions are also why Palestine and Israel cannot find solutions to peace which both claim they want.

NOW lets establish some common ground.

1. We all want cops to make it home safely.

2. We do not think criminals should get away with whatever they want.

3. No one likes race being the issue.


So why does race still persist as an issue? Not because all who side with Wilson are racists. But because there IS a systemic willful ignorance or unintentional unawareness that blacks ON AVERAGE are judged more harshly while innocent or guilty.

Blacks do not want to support lawlessness or crime. Blacks do not hate all cops. Blacks do not want welfare. Blacks do not want special rights or a free ride. I am 48 years old. Yes race religions HAS gotten better by comparison to when I was a kid.

So why does it seem to some that NFL players or Brown's parents SEEM to be supporting the idea of no accountability? It seems to some that way because of their refusal to stop judging and listen. If it were as simple as "blame blame blame", the ongoing race problem would have ended a long time ago.

Now lets do a thought experiment here.

"Wilson is innocent" ok, lets run with that for argument's sake.
"You were not there don't judge him", again, ok lets run with that for a second.

The narrative of "innocent" now that the trial is over puts this officer in the position of leaving his job because he now has to fear for his own safety, and can work without risking the safety of the other officers. And on top that is constantly going to have to look over his shoulders and wonder what someone thinks of him, or wonder what someone might do to him.


THINK ABOUT THAT AND LET IT SOAK IN. BECAUSE the judgment of blacks that has been going on forever, is the exact same feeling you are feeling in support of Wilson.

BLACKS ON AVERAGE are judged more harshly by society regardless of innocence or guilt.

Now if everyone wants this to stop. Instead of judging Brown's parents, maybe you should extend the same ear to them that you say Wilson should get. Do not over simplify it with "he shouldn't have resisted".

i was high and drunk one night when I went out and smashed cars with my "friends". The damage made local newspapers. I had a party in my basement with pot and under age drinking and a girl got beat up that night. I helped some guys steal pot from a guy's back yard. I assaulted a cop once myself. I had a full sized replica model cap gun, playing with it, cop showed up, drew his gun on me, I did not end up dead.

If cops had shown up to those events, my mom would have let me rot in jail, she still would visit me and love me. But even with that neither she or I ever had to worry about injury or death by cop.

NOW if everyone is going to say no one wants this AND NO ONE DOES. Then stop shouting 'BLAME" and stop repeating the same stupid crap of sticking your fingers in your ears because it makes you uncomfortable to face an ugly truth.
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FERGUSON - by Manowar - November 19, 2014 at 10:47 am
RE: FERGUSON - by strawdawg - November 19, 2014 at 11:05 am
RE: FERGUSON - by Minimalist - November 19, 2014 at 11:53 am
RE: FERGUSON - by A Theist - November 20, 2014 at 9:15 am
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RE: FERGUSON - by Brian37 - November 19, 2014 at 2:27 pm
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RE: FERGUSON - by strawdawg - November 19, 2014 at 2:12 pm
RE: FERGUSON - by polar bear - November 19, 2014 at 9:05 pm
RE: FERGUSON - by Minimalist - November 19, 2014 at 3:19 pm
RE: FERGUSON - by Manowar - November 19, 2014 at 5:10 pm
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RE: FERGUSON - by simplemoss - December 1, 2014 at 9:18 am
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RE: FERGUSON - by Brian37 - December 1, 2014 at 12:06 pm
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RE: FERGUSON - by Minimalist - December 2, 2014 at 2:15 am
RE: FERGUSON - by Thumpalumpacus - December 2, 2014 at 2:11 pm
RE: FERGUSON - by simplemoss - December 2, 2014 at 8:19 am
RE: FERGUSON - by Brian37 - December 2, 2014 at 10:22 am
RE: FERGUSON - by Heywood - December 2, 2014 at 5:53 pm
RE: FERGUSON - by Bad Wolf - December 2, 2014 at 1:13 pm
RE: FERGUSON - by Minimalist - December 2, 2014 at 3:44 pm
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RE: FERGUSON - by Brian37 - December 3, 2014 at 2:28 pm
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