(December 2, 2014 at 4:34 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:(December 2, 2014 at 4:30 pm)Godschild Wrote: Actually because I know that this Allah doesn't exist, I do not concern nor worry myself about it. That's why I can't understand why atheist waste time with something they do not believe exists.You...do see how obnoxious and discussion-killing that is, right?
GC
It's how I live, maybe it would be better for the discussion if I had lied, but it wouldn't have been better for me.
Quote:You claim to know you're God is right, a Muslim might claim to know his God is right, and you both just turn your noses up and refuse to entertain the notion that you might be wrong, because you just know you're right.
God has proven His existence to me, I have no doubt about His reality, sorry if you have trouble with that. That being said, God says He is the only God all others are false, so by reasoning through God's proof to me there can be no other God. So I ignore all other claims and go on with my God, it's hard to have a notion I might be wrong when God has proven without a shadow of doubt He's real.
Quote:Meanwhile you both look down on the atheist who has to live under the laws you make in society based on your religious justifications, justifications which you won't even reconsider because of your certainty.
Please name those laws, I'm not unreasonable and I do not look down on atheist, I do not like the attitude most bring to a discussion but, as a Christian I am to love all people, yes sometimes it's hard.
Quote: We (or I, at least) care about the God question because we do happen to share the same world and communities and the actions of those who act with absolute certainty in the name of God affect us as well.
Most Christians are reasonable people, you judge all of us by the few who think making trouble is the way to go. They don't even follow what the scriptures teach, to often they bring hate and fear into things, it's just wrong.
Yes we have a set of morals given us by God and many go against our nature but, we know they are good for us and we feel they benefit society and we like to see them implemented. Just as you think some of what we see as good you see as wrong and don't want implemented. That's why we have the right to vote and courts and a process of legislation. We all need to work through these institutions and change what we believe is right but, should respect what's implemented until we can change things and hating each other does no one any good.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
