RE: Garden of Eden was a setup...
December 5, 2014 at 11:27 am
(This post was last modified: December 5, 2014 at 11:28 am by robvalue.)
Doesn't answer any of my questions, but yes. I am.
God knows everything, so he knows what we are going to do from the instant we are born until we die. So we have no actual free will, we can't choose to do something he hasn't foreseen. Therefore he knows all the mistakes we will make when he makes us, and chooses to make us that way.
The problem with this is that foreknowledge and free will are contradictory, so it's either one or the other. The other problem is that if we make mistakes, God has given us the possibility of making mistakes. He needn't have done that. We could just be happy all the time and choose between lovely options. Like in heaven as often described.
We certainly wouldn't need cars or bank accounts.
Remember, (according to you guys) God made all the rules in the first place. So if there's something he has to "work around" then we have a problem.
God knows everything, so he knows what we are going to do from the instant we are born until we die. So we have no actual free will, we can't choose to do something he hasn't foreseen. Therefore he knows all the mistakes we will make when he makes us, and chooses to make us that way.
The problem with this is that foreknowledge and free will are contradictory, so it's either one or the other. The other problem is that if we make mistakes, God has given us the possibility of making mistakes. He needn't have done that. We could just be happy all the time and choose between lovely options. Like in heaven as often described.
We certainly wouldn't need cars or bank accounts.
Remember, (according to you guys) God made all the rules in the first place. So if there's something he has to "work around" then we have a problem.
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