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December 12, 2014 at 8:48 am
(This post was last modified: December 12, 2014 at 9:21 am by Little Rik.)
(December 11, 2014 at 1:15 pm)Surgenator Wrote:(December 11, 2014 at 6:36 am)Riketto Wrote: I only got few minutes before i have to go so i will only answer the last question and leave the rest for tomorrow.
When you say.................It doesn't matter how many people follow exactly what Buddha says. The Buddhist religion says the ultimate goal is to rid oneself of wants. It's all internally focused. So your imaginary seperation between spiritualism is internal and religion is external is bullshit................is not the Buddhist religion that say this.
Buddha has really nothing to do with religion.
Buddha teach spirituality not religion so it is Buddha spiritual message that say that not Buddhism religion that came later.
Religion is all about worship while spirituality is all about self knowledge which eventually lead to God realization.
Those who practice only yoga exercises have really nothing to do with not only spirituality but even with religion because as i just said religion imply worship.
There is no worship in asanas or yoga exercises so these people have nothing to do with either spirituality or religion while 99% of the so called Buddhism follow religion and have nothing to do with spirituality.
I have already address this. The difference between spirituality and religion is NOT interval vs external focus. The difference is touchy-feely bullshit vs organized-written bullshit. Nothing is preventing spiritualist from worshipping Gaia, and nothing is preventing religion on focusing the betterment of themselves.
Christians that don't follow all the rules in their holy book do not stop being Christians. Buddhist that don't adhere to everything in their doctrine do not stop being Buddhist. Yoga praticiners that don't adhere to everything in yoga do not stop being yoga praccticiners. So please that your marriage of the appeal-to-population falacy and no-true-scotsman falacy and throw it away. Falacies only convince the ignorant.
Your analysis is faulty.
You say.............Christians that don't follow all the rules.........or............Buddhist that don't adhere................and so on......
Now these people in a way pretend to follow the original message but they don't because they transform Buddha or Christ message into something else in order to please their own interests so it is a mistake to be called Christians or Buddhist.
Those who follow only yoga exercises (asanas) are also not yogi and even less spiritualists or religious as the so called Buddhists or Christians people so any comparison with one another doesn't make any sense.
You called practicioned but what are they practicing?
Not Christianity, not Buddhism and not yoga.
They practice their own interpretation of the original message which has nothing to do with the real thing.
Suppose i pretend to follow your philosophy but i do not really follow it properly as i change your ideas with my own interpretation and i go around saying that i am a Surgenator.
Wouldn't you think that i am a nutcase?
(December 10, 2014 at 6:25 am)Tonus Wrote:(December 10, 2014 at 5:36 am)Riketto Wrote: Ok. so let me ask you one thing.So if someone tells you they are in love with someone, you automatically must assume it is true, since it cannot be proven, correct?
Suppose you are in love with somebody.......i pop up and ask you to give me evidence that you really are in love with someone.
How do you think you can prove to me that your love is real and such love produce a nice feeling?
Time and time again i said that your experience belong to you and no one else.
It is like working hard and saving money in a physical sense.
What you earn belong to you.
While physically speaking you can give your money away spiritually speaking you can't.
The feeling stay with you and that is it, that is why it is so hard to give evidence that the thing is real.
So put it in this way.
Materially speaking it is possible to give evidence.
Physically and mentally speaking it is a bit more difficult and spiritually speaking it is very very hard but not impossible.
When someone will invent some sort of sensor machine that will be able to go through the glands like the pineal gland similar to the X rays that are able to go through the bones then everything will be much easier.
At the moment the only way is to experience by yourself.
(December 11, 2014 at 1:38 pm)Elskidor Wrote:(December 11, 2014 at 10:00 am)robvalue Wrote: I really cannot figure out for the life of me what most theists are doing here. I don't mind at all, I'm glad it's an open forum. Just can't grasp what they are trying to achieve.
Yeah, that's pretty confusing at times, but they can bring a fair amount of entertainment with them...well, some of them do.
Nothing is really free these days.
Now that i know that we provide entertainment i will start charging you a fee everytime you read my posts.
(December 10, 2014 at 7:36 am)robvalue Wrote: I think you'll find some claims require evidence, and some don't, depending on whether you want the claim to be true or not.
In other word you say that if you can't give evidence that you are in love and your love make you feel good your so called love doesn't exist at all?
(December 10, 2014 at 8:33 am)Stimbo Wrote: What, as opposed to a complete nutcase who refuses to change his views no matter what reality says?
Stim, i really need your help.
I do understand that we are not mates anymore but please forget and try to help me.
Now you say ........WHAT REALITY SAYS.
You must know very well what the reality is so please enlighten me and tell me what the reality says and where can be found.
Don't forget that i still hold that precious KUDO for you which i am quite ready to give you as soon as possible.