(December 12, 2014 at 5:09 am)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote:(December 12, 2014 at 12:28 am)bennyboy Wrote: I disagree with the idea that suicide is an individual decision. A person's parents have invested very much time and effort in raising the person. The government has provided schooling, healthcare and other services.
Does this oblige a person to continue living?
Quote:A self-centered teen will often declare "I didn't ASK to be born. I didn't want to go to stupid old school anyway. Why do I owe anything to anyone?" I disagree with this sentiment, because all those abstracts represent a real usage of resources: food, clean water, etc. as well as indirect damage, like the destruction of a small forest in order to make paper for the person's lifetime of reading and toiletries.
Yeah, but the argument that they should continue to live, against their will, and cause more of this incidental damage because they've already caused some, is irrational.
Quote:Nobody asked to be alive, that is true. Nevertheless, I think it's pretty shitty to dine and dash. If one's life is to be thrown away, why not spend a couple years planting trees, or working with needy kids or something? Why just flip a giant bird to the good that could be done if one wasn't such a selfish, childish prick?
It's much more selfish to shame a person who wants to die (not to mention, the best way to approach a suicidal person if you want to reinforce the lack of self-worth that drives so many people to it) because you are offended by the fact that they don't see the same reasons you do to keep living.
Homophobes hate homosexuals because they were taught to find it icky and unnatural. Arguing against suicide from a position of "because I don't like it" doesn't have the hate element, but the moral ground is similar in all other respects.
I don't know....when I read benny's comment I thought it sounded pretty hateful.
