(December 15, 2014 at 6:41 pm)dyresand Wrote: It is predetermined if god exists.
all i am saying is if god is all knowing and theists like to say that.
he knows everything he knows every outcome even to the smallest detail.
even he to will fall victim to it. lets say if you were god you know everything you know who is worth and who isn't. you will know every action of every human being except your own like we as people do not know our future actions years down the road. i think thunderf00t explained it best.
Again, predetermined by what? If it is predetermined by God's choice then God has made a choice. Choice necessitates free will.
Every choice you make is made before the action. If you choose to turn on a light switch, you make the choice to turn on the light switch before you actually turn on the light switch. How does having foreknowledge of the action that you are going to take eliminate your free will? It does not. You still make the choice. I do not see why God should be an exception. That God, if he makes his choice ahead of an action somehow that causes him not to have any free will.
