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god has no free will
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RE: god has no free will
(December 16, 2014 at 11:16 am)JonDarbyXIII Wrote:
(December 16, 2014 at 11:02 am)Heywood Wrote: Negative JonDarby

The set of all that is knowable is not necessary the same as the set of knowing everything one knows. I know many things, but I do not know all that is knowable. You have made a straw man argument.

That's not straw man. You're saying that God only has to know what is knowable, and you are assuming that 'what is knowable' can be defined as 'what God knows.' You have not, however, shown that the knowledge can't exist outside of God. To the frog in the well, the well is the entire world. If there were a knowledge base outside your god, then he could still think he knew everything that was able to be known, but he would be just as limited as we are. My point is that I can make that claim (even if it implies arrogance). God makes that claim, and you call it divine.

It is a straw man because I never made the assumption that what is knowable is defined as what God knows. You made that up so that you would have an easier time trying to defeat my argument. Textbook straw manning.
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god has no free will - by dyresand - December 14, 2014 at 9:31 pm
RE: god has no free will - by The Valkyrie - December 14, 2014 at 9:38 pm
RE: god has no free will - by IATIA - December 14, 2014 at 9:49 pm
RE: god has no free will - by dyresand - December 14, 2014 at 9:59 pm
RE: god has no free will - by Whateverist - December 16, 2014 at 9:33 am
RE: god has no free will - by IATIA - December 16, 2014 at 9:55 am
RE: god has no free will - by dyresand - December 15, 2014 at 12:33 am
RE: god has no free will - by Heywood - December 15, 2014 at 6:17 pm
RE: god has no free will - by dyresand - December 15, 2014 at 6:41 pm
RE: god has no free will - by Heywood - December 15, 2014 at 7:06 pm
RE: god has no free will - by dyresand - December 15, 2014 at 7:20 pm
RE: god has no free will - by IATIA - December 15, 2014 at 9:39 pm
RE: god has no free will - by Heywood - December 15, 2014 at 9:44 pm
RE: god has no free will - by dyresand - December 15, 2014 at 11:20 pm
RE: god has no free will - by Heywood - December 16, 2014 at 10:40 am
RE: god has no free will - by dyresand - December 16, 2014 at 10:56 am
RE: god has no free will - by Spooky - December 15, 2014 at 7:35 pm
RE: god has no free will - by rexbeccarox - December 15, 2014 at 7:38 pm
RE: god has no free will - by IATIA - December 15, 2014 at 9:47 pm
RE: god has no free will - by robvalue - December 16, 2014 at 1:30 am
RE: god has no free will - by dyresand - December 16, 2014 at 9:26 am
RE: god has no free will - by JonDarbyXIII - December 16, 2014 at 9:42 am
RE: god has no free will - by dyresand - December 16, 2014 at 9:52 am
RE: god has no free will - by JonDarbyXIII - December 16, 2014 at 10:06 am
RE: god has no free will - by Heywood - December 16, 2014 at 10:44 am
RE: god has no free will - by JonDarbyXIII - December 16, 2014 at 10:58 am
RE: god has no free will - by Heywood - December 16, 2014 at 11:02 am
RE: god has no free will - by dyresand - December 16, 2014 at 11:07 am
RE: god has no free will - by Heywood - December 16, 2014 at 11:30 am
RE: god has no free will - by JonDarbyXIII - December 16, 2014 at 11:40 am
RE: god has no free will - by JonDarbyXIII - December 16, 2014 at 11:16 am
RE: god has no free will - by dyresand - December 16, 2014 at 11:27 am
RE: god has no free will - by Heywood - December 16, 2014 at 12:00 pm
RE: god has no free will - by dyresand - December 16, 2014 at 12:05 pm
RE: god has no free will - by Heywood - December 16, 2014 at 12:16 pm
RE: god has no free will - by JonDarbyXIII - December 16, 2014 at 1:06 pm
RE: god has no free will - by Heywood - December 16, 2014 at 7:01 pm
RE: god has no free will - by Whateverist - December 16, 2014 at 9:57 am
RE: god has no free will - by FatAndFaithless - December 16, 2014 at 10:40 am
RE: god has no free will - by robvalue - December 16, 2014 at 12:59 pm
RE: god has no free will - by Whateverist - December 16, 2014 at 7:10 pm
RE: god has no free will - by IATIA - December 16, 2014 at 7:11 pm

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