(January 7, 2009 at 1:47 pm)josef rosenkranz Wrote: Therefore I asked an din't get a clear answer if the Casimir effect meansI believe I've already answered that one, but to be clear: the current scientific model of it is that the creation of the virtual pair is uncaused and that the effect of the short-lived pair is real and measurable. On the other hand, in that same scientific model the effect requires the presence of space-time dimensions (the Heisenberg Uncertainty Priniple is applied to the vacuum within space-time). So there is a (possibly necessary) prerequisite but not a causal dependence (the vacuum can not be said in any meaningful physical sense to cause the events). I hope this somewhat clarifies it for you.
the creation of an event out of nothing previous ,which was my understanding of your statement of "pure random",or it is the causal effect of some previous event.
The item of this thread is determinism vs. indeterminism ,(which in my view bears consequences related to aheism,even if some members of this forum disagree),so from this point of view I said that it would be interesting to learn from your knowledge about the Casimir effect.
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Faith is illogical - fr0d0