Detecting design or intent in nature

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Maybe not a watchmaker, but it seems that evolutionary systems require intellects.

I think you do not understand evolution. It is not a like an if then else loop. Evolution is what happens when something causes a thing to successfully breed and not other similar creatures it can be for any reason and is subtle often taking thousands or millions of years for relatively small changes.

For the vast majority of life on earth life was single simple cells, then sex happened and evolution really started.

None of you so far have been able to produce an example one evolutionary system whose details of origination we are privy too, that wasn't designed by an intellect or uses intellect as a selection component.

The failure to breed is the selection component. Could be anything that does it landslide, being ugly, not being able to reach the top branch where the leaves are the effects are small and undirected but the cumulative effect can be enormous. Intelligence is absolutely not a requirement for evolution. You are thinking of a breeding program which is something else entirely.

I make this challenge over an over again and I get crickets....then someone tries to change the subject by making comments about Thor and lightening or that God is a lousy designer because the laryngeal nerve of giraffe is circuitous or some other red herring. These kinds of counter arguments have nothing to do with the claim I am making that it appears evolutionary systems require intellect.

See my above answer. I suspect you are already aware of it but prefer your fantasy, there it is anyway.