RE: Is free will real?
January 4, 2015 at 3:47 pm
(This post was last modified: January 4, 2015 at 4:06 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Hard determinism is the conclusion that our descriptions of "free will" do not grok with the observations we've made about the world around us or ourselves, that free will, in short and in fact, is incompatible with those observations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_determinism
Even if we lived in a magical world...these would still be our observations. Understand? What raw data are you sitting on that the world ought to see Chad?
What leads you to believe that this language can't be extended to any other mechanical process (or that the extension of specific language somehow alters a process itself)? Photosynthesis is "about" the sun. What "directs" those experiences....and in what way is this different from the example I just gave? You're just assuming that they're different as proof that they're different. An attempted fiat - shenanigans. Regardless, whatever difference there may be between either that won't move us an inch closer to having your description of what experience -is- (or what free will is) being any more accurate.
To put it another way. Do you actually object to Pickups statement, that whatever an experience -is- it certainly isn't what we seem to be describing? That "I see red" isn't -to our minds- the clicking and clacking of equipment - even though that is -demonstrably- what "seeing red" is?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_determinism
Even if we lived in a magical world...these would still be our observations. Understand? What raw data are you sitting on that the world ought to see Chad?
What leads you to believe that this language can't be extended to any other mechanical process (or that the extension of specific language somehow alters a process itself)? Photosynthesis is "about" the sun. What "directs" those experiences....and in what way is this different from the example I just gave? You're just assuming that they're different as proof that they're different. An attempted fiat - shenanigans. Regardless, whatever difference there may be between either that won't move us an inch closer to having your description of what experience -is- (or what free will is) being any more accurate.
To put it another way. Do you actually object to Pickups statement, that whatever an experience -is- it certainly isn't what we seem to be describing? That "I see red" isn't -to our minds- the clicking and clacking of equipment - even though that is -demonstrably- what "seeing red" is?
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