Detecting design or intent in nature

[Mudhammam]

You are shifting the goal posts here. In this thread I am not claiming that the universe is designed. I am claiming that the evolutionary system which resulted in you and I existing was designed or at least required a pre-existing intellect to exist. Why? Because every evolutionary system I have observed, which I also know the details of its origination, ALWAYS, either required an intellect to design it, or requires an intellect to be a component of it.

In another thread I did claim the universe appeared to be designed....but remember I said it wasn't designed for life but rather is was designed for emergent complexity.

Haha.. um. No.

1. Genetic mutations are random. By random I mean, as biologist Jerry Coyne writes, "mutations occur regardless of whether they would be useful to the individual."
2. "We can never argue back to any further conclusions about the ordinary world or our future experience which go beyond the data from which our inference began" (J.L. Mackie), for “our ideas reach no farther than our experience" (David Hume).
3. “Why go so far? Why not stop at the material world?” (Hume) After all, “an ideal system, arranged of itself, without a precedent design, is not a whit more explicable than a material one which attains its order in a like manner... To explain the origin of the DNA/protein machine by invoking a supernatural Designer is to explain precisely nothing, for it leaves unexplained the origin of the Designer. You have to say something like ‘God was always there,’ and if you allow yourself that kind of lazy way out, you might as well just say, ‘DNA was always there,’ or ‘Life was always there,’ and be done with it.” (Dawkins).
4. “There is no reason why mental order as such should be any less in need of further explanation than material order, and the claim that mental order in a god is self-explanatory is just the thesis.” (Mackie).

C'mon Heywood, at least try to be imaginative.