RE: Detecting design or intent in nature
January 6, 2015 at 1:53 pm
(This post was last modified: January 6, 2015 at 1:56 pm by Heywood.)
(January 6, 2015 at 1:46 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You can read, the thread is here for anyone to see...and you've been participating. Spare me, and spare yourself this particular line of bullshit Heywood. Perhaps you don't agree with the examples given, but you've been explicitly invited to flesh out that disagreement. I fail to see what more would be required of others.
Do work.
If you are not going to back up your claim that I have been given an example of something that falsifies my claim, then I see no reason to believe you.
(January 6, 2015 at 1:50 pm)Chas Wrote:(January 6, 2015 at 11:39 am)Heywood Wrote: You are shifting the goal posts here. In this thread I am not claiming that the universe is designed. I am claiming that the evolutionary system which resulted in you and I existing was designed or at least required a pre-existing intellect to exist. Why? Because every evolutionary system I have observed, which I also know the details of its origination, ALWAYS, either required an intellect to design it, or requires an intellect to be a component of it.
In another thread I did claim the universe appeared to be designed....but remember I said it wasn't designed for life but rather is was designed for emergent complexity.
Your argument reduces to everything you observe that was created by people was created by an intellect.
Can you show me an observation of an evolutionary system coming into existence that did not involve intellect? That is all that I am asking for someone to do. Should be simple enough if evolutionary systems come into existence without the involvement of intellects as you claim.
At least my claim is based on observation while your is based on whimsical thinking.
