(January 7, 2015 at 12:15 pm)Heywood Wrote:(January 6, 2015 at 10:45 pm)Jenny A Wrote: You are forgetting a rather simple problem with your sample. All of the intelligently designed evolutionary systems you propose as examples are conscious attempts to copy natural evolution. It's a little like looking at numerous paintings and models of the Niagara Falls and concluding that Niagara Falls must be designed because all of the copies are. If you eliminate evolutionary systems not inspired by natural evolution, you won't have any designed systems at all.
The game Chinese Whispers was not inspired by biological evolution but it is an evolutionary system created by intellects none the less.
I had to look up Chinese Whispers and then laughed, because I've played it as The Telephone Game and as Gossip. The Gossip was its church name because for me because a Sunday school teacher used it to demonstrate how gossips changes as it spreads.
Which made me laugh again, because there is an undesigned evolutionary system, the gossip mill. But you see gossip is not designed to create change as the story relayed. The change just happens, and what makes the most interesting or shocking story without being completely unbelievable tends to emerge. And that is the point. The gossip mill is not a system to create change anymore than natural evolution is a system. Change happens because humans have a natural tendency to make up stories and embellish real ones. Oral history changes in much the same way.
The Bible, and other transcribed works, change overtime due to transcription error.
Transcription error does not a system make. Natural evolution is not a system to create animal change. It simply is what happens when there is transcription error/borrowing in DNA.
(January 7, 2015 at 12:15 pm)Heywood Wrote:(January 7, 2015 at 1:15 am)Jenny A Wrote: I could program a gravity and planetary motion simulator (actually I'm sure there are some simulators already). Then we'd have gravity simulators and the only ones which are not the universe would all be designed by intellect. Would that prove gravity and inertia is a designed system? Can you not see the problem with that?
Gravity is not a system. It is a force of nature believed to be carried by the graviton.
And natural evolution is the result of the imperfectness of DNA replication. Next.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.