(January 7, 2015 at 6:43 pm)Alex K Wrote:In a deterministic universe, everything is determined from the initial big bang and continues on per quantum action reaction. If we assume no determinism and allow for random events, we still may have no free will. If we have free will, the universe cannot be deterministic. This, however would not disallow random events. Being aware of a choice and being aware of making that choice does nothing to prove you initiated that choice. We either have free will or think we have free will. The outcome is basically the same.(January 7, 2015 at 6:33 pm)IATIA Wrote: If we do not have free will, then everything that has happened will continue, status quo. The real question is whether or not the accepted knowledge of no free will would change anything. That would be answered by the ultimate question, "Is this a deterministic universe?".I don't understand the last part. Also,
I understand determinism => no free will, but I don't understand the opposite direction.
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God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
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Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
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