RE: Mark Steyn on Charlie Hebdo
January 8, 2015 at 5:02 am
(This post was last modified: January 8, 2015 at 5:06 am by Thumpalumpacus.)
(January 8, 2015 at 4:05 am)mralstoner Wrote: A passionate plea for free speech by Mark Steyn, but see my comments below.
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I'm in two minds about this now. Sure, we reflexively want to defend free speech always and everywhere. But the West is now entering a high security, high vigil environment of perpetual war against us by local Mohammedans. They are here in big numbers and the terrorism will seemingly not stop ever, so long as we have Muslims in large numbers here.
The only secure solution for the West is to isolate our Muslim populations i.e. build a big wall like Israel had to, and severely limit the movement of Muslims within the West. But we're a long way from anything like that, hence the violence will continue.
So, in that context, is it a good idea for Mark Steyn to antagonise Mohammedans by demanding that all newspapers show the cartoons?
From a practical point of view, I don't see anything good coming from publishing the cartoons. Ordinarily we should defend free speech always and everywhere, but these mofos have declared war on us, so does any good come from publishing the cartoons and endangering the press? I tend to think we should forget about the cartoons and work towards REAL solutions that promote security like a policy of containment of our Muslim population.
I don't think the "get tough" approach has been thought through. It's emotional. It's testosterone. But it's not the path to a secure environment. Getting tough on Muslims only gets you so far, but the violence is never fully contained. The only path to peace with Muslims is to build a freaking big wall and to keep their freakshow contained within those walls.
Those who disagree, and want to keep on the "get tough" road, will not provide you with peace. Peace with Muslims is an illusion. Time to build a wall.
Man, you've got it wrong all the way around.
Building a wall around Muslim neighborhoods will not quell fanaticism. It will rather engender one more grievance to "justify" their bloody violence.
And censoring ourselves to stay safe is not a feasible option, because our silence will be interpreted as weakness, both by the extremists we wish to defeat, and the moderates we wish to embolden.
I don't think you really grasp the outlooks in play, and are reacting from your own fear.
(January 8, 2015 at 4:39 am)mralstoner Wrote:(January 8, 2015 at 4:23 am)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: If we're going to build concentration camps for Muslims, and that is exactly what you're suggesting, let's throw all of our right-wing xenophobic terrorists in with them. Especially since they are the reason we have armed Muslim terrorists antagonizing the West in the first place.Typical fucking left-liberal moron. A wall is a wall, it's not a concentration camp. Yes, it curbs their freedoms, that's the whole point. But we're not gassing, starving or persecuting anyone.
It's people like you, who cry at tough decisions, who will consign the West to permanent, never-ending massacres just like in Paris. You're pathetic, incompetent, self-hating losers who can't make adult decisions. Fuck you juvenile morons.
In hindsight, the West is full of dickeads like Ryantology, so we're going to need a third solution. And that's for all the sane people to move to safe parts of the West, and the demented fuckers like Ryan can live with his Muslim friends... if they decide to let him live, that is.
When your go-to reply is an ad homineim, you're probably best off not replying.
"Fuck you juvenile morons"? Is that your adult answer?
Step away from the keyboard.