RE: To Christians...Theocracy?
January 10, 2015 at 10:23 pm
(This post was last modified: January 10, 2015 at 10:27 pm by Grasshopper.)
(January 10, 2015 at 2:36 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:(January 10, 2015 at 1:50 pm)Grasshopper Wrote: And no- I'm not condoning slavery or the fact that god refrained from saying anything against it.
Your god didn't just "refrain from saying anything against it" -- he laid down rules for the practice of chattel slavery, giving it the imprimatur of Godly approval. What does that say about his perfection?
(January 10, 2015 at 1:50 pm)Grasshopper Wrote: I was just putting into perspective what must've occurred to the writers of the laws (CLEARLY written by men) it wasn't that big a deal back then as it is now.
And that undercuts any moral authority the book might have.
1) yeah the writers laid down rules so it wouldn't get out of hand. They just used gods name to make it sound authoritative. For the eriters of leviticus, murder and stealing was a more serious concern. And EVEN IF God wrote these laws, isn't it better he laid out guidelines for their treatment rather than let it go on freely? You see back then they were considered human with actual rights.
2) I already said I don't take bible as moral authority. Can I help it if other people do?
3) Your post indicates anger. What are you angry about? That an imaginary person in the sky you don't believe in didn't ban slavery? Or that the Israelites had such a rule in the first place? Or that books such as leviticus were used in the past to justify horrific crimes?
Now I'm not talking as a christian I'm talking as a secularist
Let it go man. We're long past that. Your arguments would've perhaps helped reduce slavery in the 16th century. Or maybe not. Now in this century you grew up in a culture where everyone thinks slavery is wrong that's why you are against it.
If you were a 17th century colonist you perhaps wouldn't have had a slave, but you most likely wouldn't be against it either. It's all about how much we've evolved as a species.
Best not to get riled up by past events I always say. Whatever happened has happened. Yes people have been hurt and brutalized over the past 400 years but now it's gone. What's more we arose as a people ever more wiser.
And religion is an easy thing to use for bad things. But I didnt make a big deal when when I first heard Aztecs used to sacrifice people for the sun god or anything or that romans gathered in thousands to watch people get eaten by lions. You know why? It's because those things are gone and in the past. Just as slavery in Christian nations is in the past. Christianity, is following jesus and if they didn't love their neighbors, bad for them. If you're angry that a couple of imperialists used Christianity to justify their actions I'm sorry but you're born in the wrong time period. Anything can be brought up from the past to use in a bad way.
if there was anything written against slavery in the bible it would've still taken place. It would just be one of the many things modern Christians overlook like shrimp. If slavery was said to be wrong, they'd say the old testament doesn't hold for us anymore and they'd look to the romans for slavery tips