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Why we believe
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RE: Why we believe
(January 13, 2015 at 12:52 am)Grasshopper Wrote: 1) There was only a single way our universe would turn out and this led to the formation of life on earth (and maybe other planets).
Since there was only one way the universe could've gone forming over the 14 billion years it shines light on the possibility that it was a creator's intention for life to be born.
Conclusion- We were specially meant to be born. We are not an accident.

2) OR there were infinite ways the universe could've turned out in 14 billion years (because chaos) and out of all those infinite possibilities we got this one- where we come to life and evolved and are having this conversation.
Conclusion- We were specially meant to be born. We are not an accident.

First off--- Welcome

Little bit of a red flag when you have two diametrically opposing ideas and they lead you to the exact same conclusion.

Here's the kicker: can you prove any causality? What is the link that gets you from chaos to directed creation? Is it anything more than a feeling you have?

Specifically for #2, aren't you putting the cart before the horse a bit? If an infinite number of other steps in the process had gone a different way, then we might be some other version of intelligent life, looking back on all those steps with reverent awe. It's a bit like rolling a pair of dice a trillion times and recording each outcome, then looking back with incredulity at the odds that this same outcome could happen again.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great

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Why we believe - by Grasshopper - January 13, 2015 at 12:52 am
RE: Why we believe - by dyresand - January 13, 2015 at 12:58 am
RE: Why we believe - by SteelCurtain - January 13, 2015 at 1:20 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 1:25 am
RE: Why we believe - by Aoi Magi - January 13, 2015 at 2:15 am
RE: Why we believe - by Grasshopper - January 13, 2015 at 2:55 am
RE: Why we believe - by Esquilax - January 13, 2015 at 3:16 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 3:21 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 3:37 am
RE: Why we believe - by Aoi Magi - January 13, 2015 at 3:56 am
RE: Why we believe - by Grasshopper - January 13, 2015 at 4:07 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 4:27 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 4:07 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 4:13 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 4:30 am
RE: Why we believe - by Grasshopper - January 13, 2015 at 7:47 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 7:52 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 4:36 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 4:52 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 5:28 am
RE: Why we believe - by Grasshopper - January 13, 2015 at 7:55 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 7:57 am
RE: Why we believe - by Grasshopper - January 13, 2015 at 8:15 am
RE: Why we believe - by ManMachine - January 13, 2015 at 8:18 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 8:23 am
RE: Why we believe - by StuW - January 13, 2015 at 8:58 am
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 9:17 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 9:22 am
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 9:33 am
RE: Why we believe - by FatAndFaithless - January 13, 2015 at 9:35 am
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 9:41 am
RE: Why we believe - by FatAndFaithless - January 13, 2015 at 9:43 am
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 9:36 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 9:43 am
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 4:06 pm
RE: Why we believe - by FatAndFaithless - January 13, 2015 at 4:16 pm
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 4:51 pm
RE: Why we believe - by Losty - January 13, 2015 at 6:03 pm
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 6:37 pm
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 14, 2015 at 4:20 am
RE: Why we believe - by Nope - January 13, 2015 at 10:03 am
RE: Why we believe - by ManMachine - January 13, 2015 at 11:24 am
RE: Why we believe - by Nope - January 13, 2015 at 1:39 pm
RE: Why we believe - by dyresand - January 13, 2015 at 9:23 am
RE: Why we believe - by Grasshopper - January 13, 2015 at 9:32 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 9:38 am
RE: Why we believe - by Grasshopper - January 13, 2015 at 9:45 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 9:46 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 9:47 am
RE: Why we believe - by Grasshopper - January 13, 2015 at 9:47 am
RE: Why we believe - by Grasshopper - January 13, 2015 at 9:46 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 9:47 am
RE: Why we believe - by FatAndFaithless - January 13, 2015 at 9:48 am
RE: Why we believe - by Thumpalumpacus - January 13, 2015 at 11:59 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 9:48 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 9:48 am
RE: Why we believe - by Grasshopper - January 13, 2015 at 9:56 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 9:59 am
RE: Why we believe - by Nope - January 13, 2015 at 10:01 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 10:02 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 10:05 am
RE: Why we believe - by FatAndFaithless - January 13, 2015 at 10:06 am
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 10:21 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 10:08 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 10:25 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 10:29 am
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 10:32 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 10:36 am
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 10:43 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 10:44 am
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 11:00 am
RE: Why we believe - by Strider - January 13, 2015 at 10:52 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 10:31 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 10:33 am
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 10:37 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 10:38 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 10:40 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 10:44 am
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 10:56 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 11:01 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 10:53 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 10:58 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 11:04 am
RE: Why we believe - by Davka - January 13, 2015 at 11:16 am
RE: Why we believe - by Minimalist - January 13, 2015 at 1:05 pm
RE: Why we believe - by Thumpalumpacus - January 13, 2015 at 3:03 pm
RE: Why we believe - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2015 at 1:08 pm
RE: Why we believe - by Grasshopper - January 13, 2015 at 1:23 pm
RE: Why we believe - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2015 at 1:32 pm
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 3:28 pm
RE: Why we believe - by Simon Moon - January 13, 2015 at 3:44 pm
RE: Why we believe - by Losty - January 13, 2015 at 4:01 pm
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 4:16 pm
RE: Why we believe - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2015 at 4:17 pm
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 4:18 pm
RE: Why we believe - by Minimalist - January 13, 2015 at 4:23 pm
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 5:42 pm
RE: Why we believe - by Losty - January 13, 2015 at 5:44 pm
RE: Why we believe - by watchamadoodle - January 13, 2015 at 5:50 pm
RE: Why we believe - by goodwithoutgod - January 13, 2015 at 5:57 pm
RE: Why we believe - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2015 at 6:14 pm
RE: Why we believe - by Losty - January 13, 2015 at 6:40 pm
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 6:55 pm
RE: Why we believe - by Thumpalumpacus - January 13, 2015 at 8:54 pm
RE: Why we believe - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2015 at 6:43 pm
RE: Why we believe - by goodwithoutgod - January 13, 2015 at 6:59 pm
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 7:22 pm
RE: Why we believe - by Losty - January 13, 2015 at 9:07 pm
RE: Why we believe - by goodwithoutgod - January 13, 2015 at 9:13 pm
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 14, 2015 at 4:17 am

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