Atheist vs Pantheist

[robvalue]

I'm well aware of logical fallacies and the scientific method. But I'm afraid I still have no idea what you are talking about. The scientific stance is that supernatural existence or causation cannot be demonstrated, because it cannot be measured. To determine facts about reality, you need something to measure. Just logic, philosophy and posturing is not sufficient. That is my opinion anyhow If something is not indepently verifiable, to produce consistent results, then it is not of any great value regarding knowledge.

If these other methods were reliable, they would be part of science too. It's like if alternative medicine worked, it would be just called medicine.