RE: Detecting design or intent in nature
January 17, 2015 at 4:14 pm
(This post was last modified: January 17, 2015 at 4:22 pm by Heywood.)
(January 17, 2015 at 3:52 pm)IATIA Wrote:(January 17, 2015 at 3:13 pm)Heywood Wrote: Yes gravity is a requirement for stars. But stars are not a requirement for evolution. The required elements of evolution are:You know ASOLUTELY NOTHING about anything you are talking about. READ A FUCKING BOOK!
replication
heritable traits
change
selection
When do you ever see these elements or pre-requisites come together without intellects? I suppose you could ask when do you ever see these elements or pre-requisites come together without stars. Well there is nothing in principle to prevent an intellect from going to a place in the universe devoid of stars and putting these elements together.
Nothing in the universe can exist without stars. PERIOD.
There was a time in the universe when there were no stars.....yet stuff existed. I think it is you who needs to read a book.
(January 17, 2015 at 4:11 pm)Rhythm Wrote:(January 17, 2015 at 3:54 pm)Heywood Wrote: why should I consider the proposition, "All evolutionary systems need intellects" to be false?Other than having shown the proposition to be false yourself? Gee, who knows.
You've only stated the proposition to be false. You have never once came up with an observation that it is false. I will accept that rivers occur without intellect. If you can, and now I am asking for the third time, show how a river system contains the following elements required of an evolutionary system...then I will be happy to concede.
Again those elements are:
replication
heritable traits
change
selection
Keep saying I am wrong doesn't make me wrong.....you have to show that I am wrong.
(January 17, 2015 at 4:05 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:(January 17, 2015 at 3:54 pm)Heywood Wrote: All those things you describe, peaks, lakes, rivers, etc.....We've observed those form without intellects. The proposition that all peaks are formed by intellects is clearly false. What we haven't observed is an evolutionary system form without an intellect. If you ever see an evolutionary system form without an intellect, please let me know. Until someone does, why should I consider the proposition, "All evolutionary systems need intellects" to be false? Cause its a tenant of your faith? Sorry....not a good enough reason. Show me an observation."Evolutionary systems" in nature are but chemical changes acting in accordance to their internal constituents and basic physical principles, like those that form peaks, lakes, and rivers, though unlike mountain ranges, we witness chemical changes to occur without any intellectual involvement everywhere and every day.
You can say the exact same thing about cars. Except to re-configure a collection of atoms into a car requires intellect. Evolution is a specific process with certain identifiable elements and you have yet to demonstrate that process being implemented without the need of an intellect.