(January 20, 2015 at 2:00 pm)Heywood Wrote:(January 20, 2015 at 1:27 pm)Surgenator Wrote: A star is a thermonuclear reactor. It takes protons and makes helium nuclei through a series of nuclear processes. Like any nuclear reactor, it also makes other stuff as well like light, neutrinos, neutrons, lithium, etc. Other stuff the sun does (like be a huge gravitational well) doesn't mean it stops being a thermonuclear reactor.
A star is much more than a thermonuclear reactor and it obviously a very different thing than a tokamak.
He should not be comparing stars with tokamaks. Instead he should be comparing these two propositions:
Processes which result in fusion always require intellect to be implemented.
Processes which result in fusion do not always require intellects to be implemented.
The fact that we have observed stars in various stages of developement without a requirement of intellect falsifies the first proposition.
First off, there is more than one way to make fusion. A tokamak is a clever design go get fusion. There is also the brute force method that stars use. The fact that stars created fusion by the dumpest way possible suggest no intelligence was involved. What makes people 99.999% sure no intelligence was involved is because a large mass of hydrogen will collapse and thermonuclearly ignite all on its own. It is fundamentally the same as water flowing downhill. It doesn't require intelligence to tell water to go downhill, and it doesn't take intelligence to tell hydrogen to collapse and thermonuclearly ignite.