(January 23, 2015 at 8:37 pm)Heywood Wrote:(January 23, 2015 at 8:24 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote: The answer to your "proposition 2" about one observable case has been demonstrated over and over again. You keep saying "that doesn't count." You say you refuted it when Stimbo presented it. I did not see it, though I looked through many of your posts (I hope you appreciate the effort I had to put in to wade through over 60 pages of posts to do this) to see if you indeed had.
Maybe I missed it (plausible), but all the same, the only refutations of anything I found were refutations that essentially amounted to a response that is "nuh uh!" If you would repeat it for me, it might help me register the point. May be a rough thing to do, but, again, I DID go through 60 pages of posts to try to locate it myself.
We have no observations of the implementation of the evolutionary system which produced Stimbo. Remember we are considering these two very reasonable propositions....both of which cannot be true:
Proposition 1: All evolutionary systems require intellect to be implemented.
Proposition 2: Not all evolutionary systems require intellect to be implemented.
Ahhh, alright, so I'm curious, what do you mean by "being implemented?" In the context of biological evolution, I mean. As in, do you mean it's initiation? In which case, it would be very difficult to directly observe something that happened billions of years ago on this planet, given we lack time travel.
However, if we investigate the means by which it could have been started, you need only look into the Miller-Urey Experiment, which demonstrated the plausibility of the beginning of biological evolution on Earth being implemented without the need for intelligence.
