RE: Detecting design or intent in nature
January 23, 2015 at 10:20 pm
(This post was last modified: January 23, 2015 at 10:21 pm by Chas.)
(January 23, 2015 at 10:14 pm)Heywood Wrote:(January 23, 2015 at 10:05 pm)rasetsu Wrote: I'm well acquainted with how these simulations work. I studied computer science in college as well as higher mathematics. I've been working with computers for 35 years. A simulated hurricane is still not a real hurricane, no matter how many analogies between the two you can find.
The process is an evolutionary process if it contains the elements of evolutionary processes. Those elements are:
Replication
Heritable characteristics
Change
Selection
The process that is being carried out in the computer contains those elements, therefore it is reasonable to call the process being carried out in the computer evolutionary.
The evolution of cars was not carried out a computer but is evolution non the less because it contains the elements of evolution.
Cars are replicated on the assembly line(replication)
Their form is determined by a design(heritable characteristic).
The design is changed slightly from model year to model year(change).
If the market doesn't like the design change it is discarded(selection).
Nope. Replicators must be replicated.
(January 23, 2015 at 10:19 pm)Heywood Wrote:(January 23, 2015 at 10:12 pm)rasetsu Wrote: Cars don't evolve either. You're playing on things that are analogous to evolution, not things that are examples of evolution. Biological evolution is what you're targeting, but you're all over the map with similar=same. All the word evolution means is change. Outside the strict model of biological evolution, you are talking analogies. Not identities.
I jumped in late. What 5 systems were given.
It seems that you are rejecting any definition of evolution that isn't strictly the biological evolutionary system which produced us. Your saying cars didn't evolve because they are not biological entities. Why is that only biological entities can evolve? Why can't things other than biological entities be subject to the process of evolution?
The 5 systems were:
The spider sim
Tribes
Cars
Chinese Whispers(a game played in classrooms)
Medical specialties
None of those are isomorphic to biological evolution. Not even close.
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Science is not a subject, but a method.