Detecting design or intent in nature

[Heywood]

But you are confusing "complex things" with things that have a plan.
what you are failing to show is where the intellect is required.
What we have repeatedly shown is that given change and a reason to change, change occurs you insisting that intelligence is needed is adding something that isn't required.

Weather patterns are another "evolving evolutionary system" we can see the effects of small changes locally that make long term weather systems.
If a butterfly flaps its wings in America a Typhoon hits China.

But you will argue that weather has been happening as long as the earth has been present so we haven't seen it started, so god.

You are making unreasonable demands and I think you know it.

What is unreasonable about the following demand?
Please show how a weather system or typhoon contains the following elements:

Replication
Heritable traits
Change
Selection

If you can't show weather systems or typhoons contain those elements then why should I just accept your claim that they are evolutionary systems? If you concede that weather systems are not evolutionary systems then they don't really tell us anything about evolutionary systems do they?

My definition of evolution is very reasonable. The two propositions I presented are very reasonable. Asking for observations to support either proposition is very reasonable....It is not that I am being unreasonable. Its that you guys are failing....perhaps your world view is just wrong. Have you ever considered that?

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Didn't answer my question I see. I'm done then.

Rob,

You come out and say that I don't understand evolution and then demand I answer your question. I'm not going to seriously engage you in discussion until you seriously engage in the discussion yourself. Claiming I don't understand evolution without pointing out where I am going wrong adds nothing of value to the discussion. In fact it is quit underhanded as how the hell am I supposed to defend myself against your accusation?

There is one of me debating a bunch of other people. I'm not going to answer everyone's questions or respond to everyone's post. People who engage in the tactics you engaged in are the last people I am going to respond too.